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Look at that.

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- I guess we can start talking now.
- I guess so.

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- We should say who we are.
- This is wild.

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I'm Michelle Paradise.

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I type things.
I co-typed this episode.

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Didn't you do more than that?

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- I did, yes.
- I think so.

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Executive producer. Typer of words.

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She always says that. Runner of the show.

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- Yes.
- "It could not happen without me,"

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is what you should say.

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Yeah, Sonequa completed it for you there.
Yeah.

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Okay. Thank you.

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I'm Olatunde Osunsanmi,
the director of this particular episode,

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and I produce on the show as well.

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Producing director of all the episodes.

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- Producing director of all the episodes...
- Yes.

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...but not to be confused
with the director of all the episodes.

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True.

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- And the executive producer as well.
- And the executive producer.

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Okay, clearly, I haven't been
introducing myself this well.

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None of this would happen
without you either.

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True. Also would not happen without me.
That's how you finish.

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Yeah.

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I'm Sonequa Martin-Green.

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I play Captain Michael Burnham.

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So, I'm on the show at times.

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Only some... I mean,
we could probably do it without you,

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- but, you know.
- Probably.

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- No.
- I think you probably could.

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- Also, producer on the show.
- Yes, you are.

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- Yes, you are.
- Yes, you are.

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Yep. Executive producer
for the final season.

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- Yes.
- Yes, you are.

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Couldn't do it all without you.

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So far, has done the best at introducing.

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I know. And has helped introduce us.

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David, make us proud.

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I'm always ready for y'all.

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I'm always like, "Let me finish this now."

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No days off.

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Listen, I'm David Ajala
from Hackney, London,

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- and I play Cleveland Booker.
- Awesomely.

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- That was...
- That was strong.

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Solid.

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We managed to talk our way
through the "previously on."

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Oh, no!

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Oh, that's wild!
Geez, this is nuts seeing this. Wow.

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This is Jonathan Frakes's episode here.
Yeah.

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I just have to say, like,
look at our VFX team.

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- Yeah, like, seriously.
- Insanity.

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Yeah.

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- So good.
- Led by J.Z.

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- Yes.
- J.Z.

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- Jason Zimmerman.
- The myth, the legend.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Not to be confused
with the other JAY-Z, but...

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That's right.

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When I first came onto the show
and they kept calling him J.Z.,

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it always took me a minute,
like, oh, no. No, not that one.

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Right.

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Look at this.

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Look at this.

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This was really cool.

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I haven't seen the final effects.
This is the first time.

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- Really?
- Yeah.

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- Wow.
- Not the final, final, final.

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Well, get ready,
'cause look at this world that you're in.

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So neat.

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Oh, my goodness.

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Yeah, it's beautiful.

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So, Michelle, I have a question for you.

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How did you come up
with the infinity hallway?

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Well, we came up
with the infinity hallway.

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I don't think we did.

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I think you did.

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It might have been me and I...
I don't know.

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No, I thought we did,
because there was that...

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What is... the Escher... the Escher drawing?

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The... With the...

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Gosh, I'm not gonna remember now.

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I remember talking about a hallway.

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But I do remember you
introducing the Escher drawing.

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Yeah.

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And it was... Yeah, go on.

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No, I can't remember how...
It might have been something that...

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I honestly can't remember if that was
something that Kyle and I found together

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or if we were talking about it
in the room, or...

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But it was just... It was one of those
really interesting drawings

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that just sort of felt very,
very otherworldly and multidimensional.

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And then just taking that
as the starting point,

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and then talking with you about it,

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and then getting Doug McCullough,
our production designer, involved,

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and, of course, J.Z. and his VFX team.

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And, like, it just...
As with everything on the show,

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it ended up being
such a collaborative effort from everyone.

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And then you... I want you to talk about,

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oh, my gosh, your directing template.

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I've not, like... You had pages of things
and they were color coded,

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and it was which world we're in
and where the camera needs to be.

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It was insa...
I've never seen anything like it.

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Well, it was fascinating because this...
you know, we'd shot the wall...

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the VR wall... the season before.

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And so, this was
our second season with it,

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and we'd gone through a whole season,
so this was the last episode with it.

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And the amount of knowledge

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we all accumulated on how to shoot it
has been astronomical.

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And it wasn't just us, the crew,
it was also the cast

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and what are they looking at,
and how to manage the wall...

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'cause the...
what the audience might not realize

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is while the wall seems
like it's all stable in those images, it...

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it's actually flying around
and moving around

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- depending on where the camera...
- Yeah.

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So, while the cast...

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and, you know... and Sonequa and David
should speak about this in a little bit,

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but while the cast is looking at an image,
that image is not reality... total reality.

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Because reality is moving around them
like a carousel.

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And it was... it was quite involved,
the, you know,

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figuring out what world
is in which window,

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- you know, and all of that, and...
- Wow.

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It was definitely all of us working

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at the... our peak knowledge
of what the wall could and couldn't do.

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Wow.

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Remember this day, Tunde?

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I remember. I remember this day.

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- Tell us about this day.
- Yeah.

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I think it's got to be
one of the most intense...

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action, you know, sequences we've done.

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- One of 'em. For sure.
- Really. Yeah.

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And, I mean, this whole setup...

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it was a huge parking lot.

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I think across from the building
where the production offices were.

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- Right? Am I right about that?
- That's right.

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We took over the entire parking lot.

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The entire parking lot was this gigan...

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This monstrous rig,

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and so much of this is...
was just practical

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with this rain going

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and then with the wind machines,

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and then, I mean, it was intense.

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It was intense.

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I was... I was...

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I don't know, I was grateful
to have something like this,

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on the way out, you know? It was freezing.

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- I had so much padding underneath.
- Really?

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And there was always, like,
the danger of, like, hypothermia

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because there was so much waterlog

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with all of the freezing water.

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And, you know, I gotta big-up
the ladies in the costume department,

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because they really took
such good care of me,

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trying to change out each time
so that I wouldn't get sick.

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If I remember correctly,
they even heated the water for you,

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but by the time it came down
and it hit you,

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- it was cold again...
- Yeah, yeah!

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...because it was so cold on set.

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It was c... Yes, that's right, y'all,

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'cause we shot this
in November in Toronto.

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- Yes, it was Toronto, November.
- Oh, snap!

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Yeah!

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- Yeah, so it was freezing outside...
- Right.

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...and man, every single thing
that could have been done

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to, like, help the situation
was definitely done.

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Like, you know, but we were all
still just, like, tripping.

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Me and Tunde kept looking at each other,
being, like, "Yeah."

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- Right?
- Yeah, it was... it was nuts,

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because, you know, there are no visual
effects to the water that's falling here.

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- The water above the set, right?
- Really?

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So, Sonequa is actually in that water.

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And, yeah, Michelle's right.
It was heated,

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but the problem was,
by the time it got down to her,

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because it's falling 50 feet,
it was freezing. It was freezing.

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And so, I just want the audience to know,

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you know, when you're watching that,

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that is her operating
in freezing temperatures

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and doing a full-blown fight.

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It's one thing to do a fight.

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It's another thing to do a fight on wires.

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It's another thing to do a fight on wires

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with 50 mile per hour wind
blowing in your face.

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It's another thing to do a fight on wires

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with 50 mile per hour wind
blowing in your face

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with freezing water that's also
blowing in your face at that speed.

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So that was... Again, that's not
the kind of thing you could do

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just right out the gate.

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It's the kind of thing you'd have to do
with accumulated knowledge

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- of skill and talent and work ethic.
- Yeah.

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It's hard. That is hard work
that we saw that day.

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Thank you, and I mean,
Tunde is, like, everybody's producer.

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He's the producer's producer.

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He's the actor's producer.
He's the writer's producer.

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And so, he's such a... I don't know,
just such a phenomenal leader

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on set as well, and a guardian of sorts.

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And so,
you really feel like he's in it with you.

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And a lot of times, you are, Tunde.

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A lot of times,
you've literally been in it with us.

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- And so, it was... it was a lot of fun.
- Yeah.

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It really was. It was, like...

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I don't know,
I was really grateful for it.

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Yeah.

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And it's nice to...

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I think we're fortunate
that it's captured on film forever.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, because we went above and beyond.
You're right. Everybody did.

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Everybody went above and beyond
for that sequence, man.

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Yeah.

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- Look at her.
- Really cool.

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- Oh, my goodness.
- Eve Harlow.

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- Eve Harlow.
- What a great addition to this season.

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00:10:02,353 --> 00:10:03,938
- Yeah.
- Like, truly, what a...

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I mean, casting-wise and producers,
and the powers that be,

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must have known that they struck gold
when they hired Eve.

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I think she's just... she's a rocket.

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- She is.
- And a proper sweetheart.

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Yeah, she was one of those...

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You know, it happens
every now and then in casting

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where someone comes in

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and immediately, they explode
off the screen and you just know.

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"Oh, my gosh. That's the person."

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- And that was Eve...
- Yeah.

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And what was really funny is now, like,
meeting her as just a person.

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She's so... She's, like...

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She would be the first to say
she's not badass.

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She says of herself
that she's not badass, not coordinated.

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She was so nervous about doing the stunts.

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She's, like, just the nicest, gentlest,

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- like, sweet, animal-loving person...
- Yes!

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...and she plays this total badass,

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you know,
who wants to kick your ass in this.

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- Exactly.
- Yeah.

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Talk about work ethic.

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Man, she really stepped up to the plate,

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and it's a testament
to her skill as an actor.

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How different she is in real life.

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We were all, just, so proud of her,

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and she was proud of herself as well,

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'cause she surprised herself.

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She saw just what she was capable of.

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- Exactly.
- Yeah. Isn't that the truth?

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Isn't that the truth?

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Yeah, and she came in,

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and it's a thing to have to go toe-to-toe
with Michael Burnham...

242
00:11:36,363 --> 00:11:39,325
and to be a formidable force
in the face of Michael Burnham.

243
00:11:39,408 --> 00:11:41,785
And so, it was really important
to all of us

244
00:11:41,869 --> 00:11:45,831
that Michael go up against somebody

245
00:11:45,915 --> 00:11:47,625
that, you know,

246
00:11:47,708 --> 00:11:51,712
we feel is a close match,

247
00:11:51,795 --> 00:11:54,214
and I thought
she really pulled it off well.

248
00:11:54,298 --> 00:11:58,594
And I think she did something that,
hopefully, she's proud of too.

249
00:11:58,677 --> 00:12:00,095
Yeah. Yeah.

250
00:12:00,179 --> 00:12:02,723
It's no small feat
for any actor to come in

251
00:12:02,806 --> 00:12:07,269
and share the screen with both of you.

252
00:12:07,353 --> 00:12:09,438
Like, that's, you know, that's just,

253
00:12:09,521 --> 00:12:11,941
that is not an easy thing to do.

254
00:12:12,858 --> 00:12:15,027
So, yeah, she did great.

255
00:12:15,110 --> 00:12:17,529
And so did Elias, because he had to...

256
00:12:17,613 --> 00:12:20,407
- Yeah.
- Elias Toufexis, my goodness.

257
00:12:20,491 --> 00:12:24,745
Who came back to us
after such a long time.

258
00:12:25,704 --> 00:12:30,417
In a way, 'cause he was in episode 3
of season 1 as a human.

259
00:12:30,501 --> 00:12:33,420
- Yeah.
- That's quite the memory there, Sonequa.

260
00:12:33,504 --> 00:12:34,713
- I know!
- Oh, yeah!

261
00:12:34,797 --> 00:12:36,215
Yeah, that's... that's impressive.

262
00:12:36,298 --> 00:12:37,466
That's impressive.

263
00:12:38,926 --> 00:12:41,595
Tunde, I remember
there was a conversation we had on set,

264
00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,722
and I remember...

265
00:12:43,806 --> 00:12:47,351
So, for those of you who may not know,
listening to the audio,

266
00:12:48,602 --> 00:12:52,189
Jonathan Frakes and Tunde
have a very healthy level

267
00:12:52,439 --> 00:12:57,111
of competition
with just always raising the standards.

268
00:12:57,194 --> 00:12:59,279
And you know what... I said to you, Tunde,

269
00:12:59,363 --> 00:13:01,407
I really appreciate how open you are,

270
00:13:01,490 --> 00:13:03,492
with always wanting to elevate
the standard.

271
00:13:03,575 --> 00:13:06,203
I was just speaking about Eve coming
on the show and Elias.

272
00:13:06,745 --> 00:13:08,205
They're surrounded by people

273
00:13:08,288 --> 00:13:12,751
who are actively pursuing elevation,
innovation, and working hard.

274
00:13:12,835 --> 00:13:15,337
And I love how we celebrate that,
champion that,

275
00:13:15,421 --> 00:13:19,216
and always put our best foot forward
to do the best that we can.

276
00:13:19,299 --> 00:13:21,802
I think it's something
that's really inspired me.

277
00:13:21,885 --> 00:13:24,722
I love the way Tunde
never shied away from that, truly.

278
00:13:24,805 --> 00:13:25,805
Oh, yeah.

279
00:13:25,848 --> 00:13:26,849
Thanks for that.

280
00:13:30,185 --> 00:13:33,063
It's hard, what we do,
and our audience is very demanding,

281
00:13:33,147 --> 00:13:35,691
you know, and they...

282
00:13:38,402 --> 00:13:41,780
They love the show and it's
their childhood we're playing with here.

283
00:13:42,698 --> 00:13:48,203
And for me,
it's just been a wonderful opportunity

284
00:13:48,287 --> 00:13:49,621
to give it everything,

285
00:13:50,497 --> 00:13:54,877
and also been one of these situations
where I feel so fortunate

286
00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,880
that I'm surrounded by people
who also want to give it everything,

287
00:13:57,963 --> 00:14:00,299
and who also want to hold hands and...

288
00:14:01,633 --> 00:14:05,137
and jump off the cliff
and give it our all.

289
00:14:05,220 --> 00:14:10,350
I love how these things are being said
and the audio being kept immortalized

290
00:14:10,434 --> 00:14:13,062
'cause I really do believe
that there are so many people

291
00:14:13,145 --> 00:14:17,149
that need to understand, like,
how wonderful you all are, truly.

292
00:14:17,232 --> 00:14:20,194
Because we say it sometimes
when we have fleeting moments

293
00:14:20,277 --> 00:14:22,863
of just sending
and giving each other flowers.

294
00:14:22,946 --> 00:14:26,575
But here we have it recorded
and I'm so happy.

295
00:14:26,658 --> 00:14:29,244
There are no words.
There are not enough words.

296
00:14:33,207 --> 00:14:34,249
That's true.

297
00:14:35,292 --> 00:14:37,461
That's true. My gratitude knows no bounds.

298
00:14:37,544 --> 00:14:39,296
I know we all feel the same.

299
00:14:40,589 --> 00:14:41,632
What did we do to you?

300
00:14:41,715 --> 00:14:44,510
Our first...
The first week out with us, David.

301
00:14:45,719 --> 00:14:48,722
- Oh, Lord. I'm still recovering.
- Yes.

302
00:14:48,806 --> 00:14:49,973
I'm still recovering.

303
00:14:51,391 --> 00:14:52,684
You put me through it.

304
00:14:52,768 --> 00:14:56,605
You played it down when you introduced
the idea of being in Iceland

305
00:14:56,688 --> 00:14:58,607
and filming and action sequences.

306
00:15:00,651 --> 00:15:01,985
I went through everything.

307
00:15:04,071 --> 00:15:05,989
Jumped off of a cliff with SMG...

308
00:15:06,949 --> 00:15:07,950
Yeah!

309
00:15:08,617 --> 00:15:11,620
- In the hot springs.
- Hot springs.

310
00:15:11,703 --> 00:15:12,746
That was glorious.

311
00:15:13,831 --> 00:15:16,291
I have a rap that you guys did
in the hot springs

312
00:15:16,375 --> 00:15:18,210
that you and Sonequa... that you guys did.

313
00:15:19,169 --> 00:15:20,462
I remember that.

314
00:15:20,546 --> 00:15:21,755
That's amazing.

315
00:15:21,839 --> 00:15:23,841
You know, I gotta send it to you,
you know.

316
00:15:24,508 --> 00:15:25,509
Please.

317
00:15:25,592 --> 00:15:28,095
You know what, that is hilarious.

318
00:15:29,012 --> 00:15:31,765
I'm convinced in a past life
that I was a rapper.

319
00:15:32,516 --> 00:15:36,186
No, not very successful, but, you know,
I have the best of intentions.

320
00:15:36,270 --> 00:15:38,355
So, every now and then, I think I just...

321
00:15:38,438 --> 00:15:39,998
I do it and I get people to indulge me.

322
00:15:40,023 --> 00:15:42,860
So I always get Sonequa
to join in my made-up raps.

323
00:15:42,943 --> 00:15:45,296
- I know. I would do my best.
- Thank you. I appreciate that.

324
00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:46,321
Oh, my goodness.

325
00:15:46,405 --> 00:15:49,575
- Yo, what about this visual effect here?
- Look at the colors.

326
00:15:49,658 --> 00:15:50,742
Yeah, exactly.

327
00:15:51,702 --> 00:15:52,744
Yeah.

328
00:15:52,828 --> 00:15:56,832
And the color of this, Tunde,
this was done in-camera, wasn't it?

329
00:15:56,915 --> 00:15:59,668
Yeah, this was all done in-camera
with the infrared chip.

330
00:15:59,751 --> 00:16:01,837
- Really?
- We took our camera and we modified it

331
00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:03,505
and put an infrared chip in there.

332
00:16:04,131 --> 00:16:07,926
And so, basically, all those leaves
in real life are green or red.

333
00:16:09,428 --> 00:16:12,055
- And the chip makes them look pink.
- Wow.

334
00:16:13,098 --> 00:16:15,350
And that sequence was fascinating

335
00:16:15,434 --> 00:16:17,245
because we actually shot it
in two and a half hours,

336
00:16:17,269 --> 00:16:18,729
the infrared sequence.

337
00:16:19,605 --> 00:16:24,693
And, you know, that only happened because
the cast shows up totally rehearsed,

338
00:16:24,776 --> 00:16:26,403
prepped, ready to go, on point.

339
00:16:26,486 --> 00:16:29,281
Stunt players show up totally rehearsed,
ready to go.

340
00:16:29,364 --> 00:16:31,617
And we were a well-oiled machine
at that point.

341
00:16:31,700 --> 00:16:35,245
- And then there's this fire sequence.
- Oh, my gosh! This is one of my favorites.

342
00:16:35,329 --> 00:16:37,748
It's so... Like, we had...

343
00:16:37,831 --> 00:16:42,669
In the cut, I just wanted this to go on
three times as long, because...

344
00:16:42,753 --> 00:16:44,630
Oh, man. Yeah.

345
00:16:44,713 --> 00:16:46,590
- Look at that.
- And it was real, real fire.

346
00:16:46,673 --> 00:16:48,050
It was real hot.

347
00:16:48,133 --> 00:16:50,552
Like, you would have to step out
after each take

348
00:16:50,636 --> 00:16:53,430
because it would get hard to breathe
from the smoke.

349
00:16:53,972 --> 00:16:55,909
- Yeah, it was...
- That was also done in the parking lot.

350
00:16:55,933 --> 00:16:57,368
It was also done in the parking lot.

351
00:16:57,392 --> 00:17:00,604
Yeah, it was about 100 yards
from where the rain scene was done.

352
00:17:03,232 --> 00:17:04,858
This one fell on the same day.

353
00:17:04,942 --> 00:17:07,611
They were two separate days, but get this.

354
00:17:07,694 --> 00:17:08,880
- This is a good question.
- Right. Of course.

355
00:17:08,904 --> 00:17:11,490
The rain scene was only done
on the second half of the day.

356
00:17:11,573 --> 00:17:13,575
- We only had seven hours to shoot it...
- Yes.

357
00:17:13,659 --> 00:17:16,912
...and the fire scene was also done
on the second half of the day.

358
00:17:16,995 --> 00:17:17,996
Wow.

359
00:17:19,873 --> 00:17:23,877
Think of, like, what the crew was doing.

360
00:17:25,212 --> 00:17:26,338
I can only imagine.

361
00:17:27,130 --> 00:17:28,840
Yes, that one big day.

362
00:17:28,924 --> 00:17:32,970
And I gotta big-up Anita
who was Eve's stuntwoman

363
00:17:33,053 --> 00:17:36,974
and Attiphah Moulton-Davis,
who was my stuntwoman,

364
00:17:37,057 --> 00:17:38,934
because they really showed up
and showed out

365
00:17:40,769 --> 00:17:43,105
in, you know, where they did come in.

366
00:17:43,188 --> 00:17:45,107
Of course, me and Eve did a lot of it.

367
00:17:45,190 --> 00:17:48,902
But they did an amazing job
with what they did do.

368
00:17:51,363 --> 00:17:53,615
And yeah, we were all, again,

369
00:17:53,699 --> 00:17:56,868
like, just looking around at each other,
like, what are we doing?

370
00:17:56,952 --> 00:18:00,539
Like, we talk about going above,
like, going bigger.

371
00:18:00,622 --> 00:18:04,251
We went big and went home
with the season in general.

372
00:18:04,334 --> 00:18:07,379
But it's like you said, Tunde,
we really challenged ourselves,

373
00:18:08,005 --> 00:18:10,465
and we put all of our, you know,

374
00:18:10,549 --> 00:18:14,678
collective knowledge
and skill and experience together

375
00:18:14,761 --> 00:18:19,766
and said,
"Let's go higher. Let's go further.

376
00:18:20,684 --> 00:18:24,438
Let's reach."
And we did, and then we did it.

377
00:18:24,521 --> 00:18:26,315
We ended up doing it.

378
00:18:27,816 --> 00:18:30,402
One of the things I love most
about this entire team

379
00:18:30,485 --> 00:18:34,656
is that there's never a time
where something is presented

380
00:18:34,740 --> 00:18:39,036
and anyone says,
"It's too hard. We can't do it."

381
00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,331
The answer is always,
"Okay. How do we do that?

382
00:18:42,414 --> 00:18:44,875
- And how do we make it safe?"
- Yeah.

383
00:18:44,958 --> 00:18:47,544
"But how do we make it epic and awesome,

384
00:18:47,627 --> 00:18:51,173
and bigger than we even
think it can be done?"

385
00:18:51,256 --> 00:18:52,257
- Right.
- Yeah.

386
00:18:52,341 --> 00:18:55,302
I think that fire sce... Didn't we get...
Didn't we get a call for a...

387
00:18:55,385 --> 00:18:57,763
Like, didn't someone call in
from a plane or something?

388
00:18:57,846 --> 00:18:59,657
- The fire department?
- Yeah, from the... from the...

389
00:18:59,681 --> 00:19:02,851
Yeah, from the main city, from downtown.

390
00:19:02,934 --> 00:19:04,061
Yeah, downtown.

391
00:19:04,144 --> 00:19:06,980
Yeah, and they thought that there was
a massive fire happening,

392
00:19:07,064 --> 00:19:08,899
you know, down by the river over there.

393
00:19:08,982 --> 00:19:10,542
Yeah, and the fire department showed up

394
00:19:11,568 --> 00:19:14,363
and was gonna shut us down
and then they realized there was a permit

395
00:19:14,446 --> 00:19:17,657
and that it was safe and,
you know, we showed them the things

396
00:19:17,741 --> 00:19:20,077
- and it was okay, you know.
- Right.

397
00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,497
Look at these two
absolutely brilliant actors.

398
00:19:24,164 --> 00:19:26,041
- Yeah.
- Look at that one over there.

399
00:19:26,124 --> 00:19:28,543
Who's that guy that's in the scene?

400
00:19:28,627 --> 00:19:29,920
Ajala.

401
00:19:30,003 --> 00:19:32,172
Who's that brilliant actor?

402
00:19:33,423 --> 00:19:35,023
- Look at these men.
- There he is again.

403
00:19:35,884 --> 00:19:38,637
- Look at Blu. I tell you...
- Big-up, Blu.

404
00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,891
- The talent... The talent and the craft.
- Yes.

405
00:19:42,974 --> 00:19:45,727
- Yeah.
- It just worked with all of you.

406
00:19:45,811 --> 00:19:47,854
- It really does.
- Yeah.

407
00:19:50,190 --> 00:19:54,194
And the camera work,
the camera movement, the directing,

408
00:19:54,277 --> 00:19:55,946
- just a shout-out to that too.
- Yeah.

409
00:19:56,029 --> 00:19:59,366
Like, there's so much energy

410
00:19:59,449 --> 00:20:02,119
in what all of you are doing
in every scene

411
00:20:02,202 --> 00:20:05,038
and in the emotion and intensity

412
00:20:05,122 --> 00:20:07,791
and attention
that you're giving to one another

413
00:20:07,874 --> 00:20:09,709
and to what's happening in the story.

414
00:20:09,793 --> 00:20:14,089
And, you know,
all of that is highlighted by Tunde,

415
00:20:14,172 --> 00:20:18,760
what you and your team are doing
with the camera and the movement of it,

416
00:20:18,844 --> 00:20:21,847
and where you're putting it,
and just the slight motion back and forth.

417
00:20:21,930 --> 00:20:26,476
It all... And it comes together
in just a really, really wonderful way.

418
00:20:27,894 --> 00:20:32,941
Yeah. The camera team
led by Phil Lanyon was exquisite.

419
00:20:33,608 --> 00:20:37,028
And Michael Carr is the operator
behind the lens here.

420
00:20:40,907 --> 00:20:42,492
It takes a lot, because...

421
00:20:44,327 --> 00:20:46,872
when the actors are outputting this much,

422
00:20:46,955 --> 00:20:50,917
you need someone behind the lens
that isn't going to miss it, right?

423
00:20:51,001 --> 00:20:53,462
And is gonna be in tune with
what's happening emotionally.

424
00:20:54,463 --> 00:20:56,298
Because I'm an emotional-based director,

425
00:20:56,381 --> 00:21:00,302
it all comes from, what emotion
am I trying to put in the audience's mind

426
00:21:00,385 --> 00:21:03,013
in the moment where maybe
it didn't exist before.

427
00:21:03,597 --> 00:21:06,141
And every inch matters.

428
00:21:06,224 --> 00:21:12,063
And it's really comforting to have someone
that's handling those lights

429
00:21:12,147 --> 00:21:14,274
and someone who's behind that camera,

430
00:21:14,357 --> 00:21:17,819
who is in sync
with what the cast is doing.

431
00:21:19,779 --> 00:21:22,240
Yeah, I feel like when...
when there isn't, like...

432
00:21:22,324 --> 00:21:26,578
I've, you know, seen things before
where just, there hasn't been that sync

433
00:21:26,661 --> 00:21:29,956
and as an audience member,
I'm noticing what the camera is doing...

434
00:21:32,417 --> 00:21:33,877
and it kind of pulls me out.

435
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,964
And so, one of the things
I love about you and the way you direct

436
00:21:38,048 --> 00:21:40,175
and this team
and all the directors that we have

437
00:21:40,258 --> 00:21:44,554
is that it always feels
of a piece with the story.

438
00:21:44,638 --> 00:21:49,142
And I'm never just kind of
noticing something just to notice it.

439
00:21:49,226 --> 00:21:52,896
It all feels very organic
to what's happening emotionally.

440
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,232
I mean, like, look at this. It's great.

441
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:57,567
It's so alive.

442
00:21:57,651 --> 00:22:01,696
And I gotta big-up our new bridge,

443
00:22:01,780 --> 00:22:06,409
like, family members, Christina
and Victoria and Natalie and Zahra,

444
00:22:06,493 --> 00:22:07,911
because they came in...

445
00:22:08,745 --> 00:22:13,250
they came in, you know, sort of,
or toward the tail end, at least.

446
00:22:13,333 --> 00:22:15,460
And they had a big job ahead of them

447
00:22:15,544 --> 00:22:20,173
to come into this, you know,
fully functioning machine.

448
00:22:20,257 --> 00:22:22,884
This family... Of course,
we welcome them as family,

449
00:22:22,968 --> 00:22:25,053
and they were quickly family.

450
00:22:25,136 --> 00:22:29,432
And they just... they just...
they sank right in,

451
00:22:29,516 --> 00:22:31,184
- did they not?
- Yeah.

452
00:22:32,185 --> 00:22:33,562
It's like they didn't miss a beat.

453
00:22:35,605 --> 00:22:37,774
I was really grateful
for all of them for that.

454
00:22:38,316 --> 00:22:40,277
- Yeah.
- It's no easy thing.

455
00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:42,862
I mean, we're watching it and, you know,
as an audience member,

456
00:22:42,946 --> 00:22:45,282
the bridge is moving and it's shaking
and there's things...

457
00:22:45,365 --> 00:22:46,366
Yes!

458
00:22:46,449 --> 00:22:50,662
But for you guys in the cast,
that's all just... that's camera movement.

459
00:22:50,745 --> 00:22:54,916
But for a new actor coming in,
there are explosions happening,

460
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,337
there's smoke, there's Tunde saying,
"Go... Go left. Go right!"

461
00:23:00,005 --> 00:23:01,423
Right. Exactly.

462
00:23:01,506 --> 00:23:03,508
And out of... just starting off,

463
00:23:03,592 --> 00:23:06,720
they have to be able to incorporate
all of that into their performance

464
00:23:06,803 --> 00:23:10,223
and... and remember lines and remember,
you know, what they're doing

465
00:23:10,307 --> 00:23:13,143
and it's no small task.

466
00:23:13,226 --> 00:23:14,436
That's right.

467
00:23:14,978 --> 00:23:16,730
It's quite a thing to jump into.

468
00:23:16,813 --> 00:23:18,189
And Callum, you know,

469
00:23:19,566 --> 00:23:22,027
here we are again
with yet another brilliant actor

470
00:23:22,110 --> 00:23:27,574
who came in and, you know,
made such a mark on the story,

471
00:23:28,617 --> 00:23:30,118
and on the show.

472
00:23:31,077 --> 00:23:34,247
You know, it was really nice
to see him settle in as well.

473
00:23:34,331 --> 00:23:36,791
Because even as his character
was settling in, you know,

474
00:23:36,875 --> 00:23:39,711
he had his own version of that too.

475
00:23:40,420 --> 00:23:42,464
And so,
especially in the scenes in the finale,

476
00:23:42,547 --> 00:23:46,676
you can really see him,
like, shining, which we love.

477
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:47,844
It's really cool.

478
00:23:49,220 --> 00:23:51,140
You're right.
You know, what's been said about...

479
00:23:52,515 --> 00:23:56,686
if you just look at even the bridge and
what Special Effects does and it looks...

480
00:23:56,936 --> 00:23:59,481
it's beautiful and it's almost effortless,

481
00:23:59,564 --> 00:24:01,566
but it's hard to be at that level

482
00:24:01,650 --> 00:24:05,695
and be safe in such a small room,
essentially, with these explosions.

483
00:24:05,779 --> 00:24:10,784
I'm just curious. What is it like, as
an actor, to be in a room like the bridge,

484
00:24:10,867 --> 00:24:12,535
have multiple explosions going off,

485
00:24:12,619 --> 00:24:14,954
you've got people all around...

486
00:24:15,038 --> 00:24:18,166
Yo, I'll say this.
I'll say something quick,

487
00:24:18,249 --> 00:24:21,044
'cause, David, I really wanna hear
what you have to say too.

488
00:24:21,127 --> 00:24:22,796
It's exciting.

489
00:24:24,839 --> 00:24:28,051
You know, like, that's, like,
the main word I can think of.

490
00:24:28,134 --> 00:24:32,972
It's so kinetic and dynamic and exciting

491
00:24:33,056 --> 00:24:36,476
and yes, you gotta be on top of it, right?

492
00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:40,438
But there is something so exciting
and fulfilling about that.

493
00:24:40,522 --> 00:24:43,650
I can only imagine for...
Rachael, we love her so much.

494
00:24:44,609 --> 00:24:48,863
And I can only imagine
what it's like for somebody like Doug

495
00:24:48,947 --> 00:24:54,119
who also has to do all of that
behind all of that rubber and latex

496
00:24:54,202 --> 00:24:57,038
and imbue all that life
in the midst of these circumstances,

497
00:24:57,122 --> 00:24:58,790
in the midst of these explosions,

498
00:24:58,873 --> 00:25:01,042
with the lines... with the charac...

499
00:25:01,126 --> 00:25:02,812
with the life of the character
and everything.

500
00:25:02,836 --> 00:25:04,379
It's, like, he's a master.

501
00:25:04,462 --> 00:25:07,924
And even David Tomlinson as well
with Linus, you know,

502
00:25:08,007 --> 00:25:11,803
the fact that they're able to do it
through all of the prosthetic...

503
00:25:14,889 --> 00:25:17,350
it's just... it's really phenomenal,

504
00:25:17,434 --> 00:25:18,893
but it's a lot of fun.

505
00:25:20,937 --> 00:25:22,522
You will be better.

506
00:25:22,605 --> 00:25:28,486
You cannot not improve
from being thrown into that scenario.

507
00:25:29,154 --> 00:25:30,321
I'm so happy you said that.

508
00:25:30,405 --> 00:25:31,448
I couldn't agree more.

509
00:25:33,950 --> 00:25:36,703
I think it makes you
a better actor overall.

510
00:25:37,704 --> 00:25:40,081
Piggybacking off of
what Sonequa was saying,

511
00:25:40,165 --> 00:25:45,420
is you really have to embrace it all.

512
00:25:45,503 --> 00:25:46,504
Yeah.

513
00:25:46,588 --> 00:25:48,548
But then, trust in the camera work

514
00:25:48,631 --> 00:25:50,467
and the environment to do the work

515
00:25:50,550 --> 00:25:54,220
and not play what's being presented
on the camera.

516
00:25:54,304 --> 00:25:56,931
I really try
to lean into the micro moments

517
00:25:57,015 --> 00:25:59,517
when doing these scenes on the bridge

518
00:25:59,601 --> 00:26:01,895
when we have explosions
and there's a lot going on.

519
00:26:02,645 --> 00:26:06,900
Dare I say, I think it made it easier
as an actor to do my job

520
00:26:06,983 --> 00:26:11,613
because there was less to
have to reproduce, recreate all around me.

521
00:26:12,447 --> 00:26:15,283
Trusting the...
trusting in the simplicity of it

522
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:18,578
was definitely my way to navigate it all

523
00:26:18,661 --> 00:26:20,413
and also not taking anything for granted.

524
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,583
Tunde said, "Every inch matters." I agree.

525
00:26:24,375 --> 00:26:25,668
Every inch matters

526
00:26:25,752 --> 00:26:29,506
and every moment
is worth holding and releasing.

527
00:26:31,216 --> 00:26:32,592
Jumping off of what you both said,

528
00:26:32,675 --> 00:26:36,221
a huge shout-out to Darcy
and our Special Effects team

529
00:26:36,304 --> 00:26:40,934
because they're the ones who,
you know, set all of that up

530
00:26:41,017 --> 00:26:43,269
so that... and always make sure it's safe,

531
00:26:44,103 --> 00:26:47,440
so that you guys can do what you do
and they're awesome.

532
00:26:47,524 --> 00:26:49,108
I gotta second that, you know.

533
00:26:50,819 --> 00:26:53,780
Darcy has had five seasons of awesomeness.

534
00:26:53,863 --> 00:26:55,073
Yeah.

535
00:26:55,156 --> 00:26:58,409
That DNA is spreading
to the other <i>Star Trek</i> shows as well,

536
00:26:58,493 --> 00:27:01,996
and, you know,
his number two on the floor there, Greg,

537
00:27:02,664 --> 00:27:05,917
who's just been fantastic, you know...

538
00:27:08,044 --> 00:27:10,004
our well-being is in his hands every day

539
00:27:11,005 --> 00:27:12,715
that the things are happening.

540
00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:14,467
And they're the glue, Special Effects.

541
00:27:14,551 --> 00:27:17,470
You have visual effects.
It's a visual effects show, visually.

542
00:27:17,554 --> 00:27:19,764
And then you've got special effects.
That's the glue.

543
00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:21,784
They're used in every single scene,

544
00:27:21,808 --> 00:27:24,143
whether it be atmo here on the AR wall

545
00:27:24,227 --> 00:27:27,397
to help blend
the digital with the reality,

546
00:27:28,064 --> 00:27:31,025
or whether it be the explosions
on the bridge or the fire planet,

547
00:27:31,109 --> 00:27:33,611
you know, they're always present
in some way or another.

548
00:27:36,489 --> 00:27:39,049
For this scene here, Tunde,
can you remind me how many flowers...

549
00:27:39,534 --> 00:27:41,411
We had to order those flowers
way in advance.

550
00:27:41,494 --> 00:27:44,789
- We had 35,000 flowers.
- Thirty-five thousand.

551
00:27:44,873 --> 00:27:46,499
- What?
- Yeah, and remember,

552
00:27:46,583 --> 00:27:49,586
that was one of those moments
when we said we needed flowers

553
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:54,966
and we were expecting, "Well, we can't
possibly get that many flowers."

554
00:27:55,049 --> 00:27:56,050
And they...

555
00:27:56,134 --> 00:27:57,260
What Doug said...

556
00:27:57,343 --> 00:28:01,764
Doug, Production Design, said,
"Leave it with me. I'll figure it out."

557
00:28:01,848 --> 00:28:02,849
- You know?
- Yeah.

558
00:28:02,932 --> 00:28:03,933
And it was like...

559
00:28:06,477 --> 00:28:07,812
Oh, my goodness.

560
00:28:08,688 --> 00:28:10,023
When and how...

561
00:28:10,106 --> 00:28:11,107
How did you...

562
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:14,736
Where do you get 35,000 flowers from?

563
00:28:16,487 --> 00:28:18,823
- I wish I knew.
- They grew them in the parking lot.

564
00:28:18,907 --> 00:28:20,158
No, I'm just kidding.

565
00:28:23,494 --> 00:28:27,624
They found a house somewhere overseas,

566
00:28:27,707 --> 00:28:29,751
and, remember, Michelle, they were like,

567
00:28:29,834 --> 00:28:32,128
"Okay, you have to choose
what color you want

568
00:28:32,211 --> 00:28:34,422
and what type you want
by this specific day

569
00:28:34,505 --> 00:28:37,383
if we're gonna be able to have them
in time to be able to test them

570
00:28:37,467 --> 00:28:39,302
and be able to put them in the movie."

571
00:28:39,385 --> 00:28:41,054
- Wow.
- And it was so far in advance.

572
00:28:41,137 --> 00:28:44,515
I think we were still in the process
of designing the set at that point,

573
00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:46,935
but we had to land on the flower color.

574
00:28:47,018 --> 00:28:49,312
That's right. Yeah, it was before
we had an actual concept

575
00:28:49,395 --> 00:28:50,605
- that we had to pick.
- Yeah.

576
00:28:50,688 --> 00:28:51,731
Yeah.

577
00:28:51,814 --> 00:28:54,442
- Wow.
- Wow.

578
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,614
But that's the thing about this team,
is, you know, if we need something,

579
00:28:59,697 --> 00:29:03,576
the bar is so high,
but it's never impossible, you know?

580
00:29:03,660 --> 00:29:04,576
Yeah.

581
00:29:04,577 --> 00:29:07,957
Everyone always finds
a way and does it.

582
00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:09,624
Yeah. Right.

583
00:29:10,375 --> 00:29:13,044
Everybody shows up
and shows out every time.

584
00:29:13,127 --> 00:29:15,588
Such a wonderful gift
to be able to do the audio,

585
00:29:15,672 --> 00:29:17,382
'cause as I'm learning so much,

586
00:29:17,465 --> 00:29:19,717
our fans and family
who are listening to this...

587
00:29:20,385 --> 00:29:22,971
They get these very rich insights.

588
00:29:23,596 --> 00:29:25,556
I was just gonna say briefly,

589
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:31,646
they just did a shot of L'ak,
and that's not actually Elias in there.

590
00:29:31,729 --> 00:29:34,857
That's a double.

591
00:29:35,483 --> 00:29:38,069
But with the facial prosthetic,
it looks exactly like him.

592
00:29:38,152 --> 00:29:40,530
- Wow.
- Wow. Yeah.

593
00:29:43,032 --> 00:29:44,659
You sneaky, you.

594
00:29:44,742 --> 00:29:45,743
Yeah.

595
00:29:46,953 --> 00:29:48,287
By the way, this isn't Eve.

596
00:29:48,371 --> 00:29:50,248
No, I'm just kidding. It's actually Eve.

597
00:29:50,748 --> 00:29:51,958
It's actually you.

598
00:29:53,668 --> 00:29:54,668
Oh, man.

599
00:29:56,170 --> 00:29:59,632
Shout-out to her here and you, Sonequa,

600
00:29:59,716 --> 00:30:01,092
and David and all of our actors

601
00:30:01,175 --> 00:30:05,346
because, you know, we have concepts for
what some of these things might look like,

602
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:10,852
but all of you have to act against
something that is pretend in the moment,

603
00:30:10,935 --> 00:30:14,772
and you don't have
the final visual effects in your head.

604
00:30:14,856 --> 00:30:16,649
And to be able to do that

605
00:30:16,733 --> 00:30:20,945
with just an artistic rendering
of what it's eventually gonna look like,

606
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:23,424
and then have it be so seamless
once the visual effects go in,

607
00:30:23,448 --> 00:30:25,616
it's always just phenomenal to me

608
00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:27,827
the way you all do that
and bring it to life.

609
00:30:27,910 --> 00:30:29,454
I have a question about that.

610
00:30:29,537 --> 00:30:31,056
I think Props were showing you, Sonequa,

611
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,458
the shape
that the triangles needed to be in.

612
00:30:34,584 --> 00:30:38,546
And then the report I got back was,

613
00:30:38,629 --> 00:30:42,258
"She interrupted me while showing her,
and she figured it out.

614
00:30:42,341 --> 00:30:45,344
She just figured it out on her"...
So for you, the triangle...

615
00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:49,932
I've been wanting to ask you this
for a year now. Was it, like, no big deal?

616
00:30:50,016 --> 00:30:50,932
Like, was it...

617
00:30:50,933 --> 00:30:53,455
It was funny 'cause when we tried it,
we could barely figure it out.

618
00:30:53,478 --> 00:30:54,479
It was always a thing,

619
00:30:54,562 --> 00:30:56,981
and we were like,
"Okay, if we can barely figure it out,

620
00:30:57,065 --> 00:31:00,318
we gotta figure out, like,
how is she gonna do it on camera?"

621
00:31:00,401 --> 00:31:01,402
You know what I mean?

622
00:31:01,486 --> 00:31:03,863
So when you just came and you just...

623
00:31:04,489 --> 00:31:08,117
That is so funny,
and I did not even remember that.

624
00:31:08,201 --> 00:31:11,954
Mario is our brilliant props master.
Been with us from day one.

625
00:31:12,038 --> 00:31:14,749
And, you know, he probably just
really explained it real good

626
00:31:14,832 --> 00:31:16,751
and kind of set me up for success.

627
00:31:17,502 --> 00:31:19,087
Probably what happened.

628
00:31:19,170 --> 00:31:20,588
'Cause it was never a thing.

629
00:31:20,671 --> 00:31:23,633
'Cause we always obsess over the things
that could be things, right?

630
00:31:23,716 --> 00:31:24,634
Yeah.

631
00:31:24,635 --> 00:31:27,929
It was really interesting to me that
that was not a thing, you know?

632
00:31:28,012 --> 00:31:30,098
- You just came in and did it, you know?
- Yeah.

633
00:31:30,181 --> 00:31:33,518
And thank you also for letting me do
that Vulcan meditation pose

634
00:31:33,601 --> 00:31:34,602
to get into it.

635
00:31:34,685 --> 00:31:37,522
I always wanted to, like, throw in
little Vulcan things here and there,

636
00:31:37,605 --> 00:31:40,108
and you graciously let me
throw that one in there.

637
00:31:40,191 --> 00:31:42,377
I was like, "Let's call back the Vulcan
just for a second."

638
00:31:42,401 --> 00:31:43,486
Awesome.

639
00:31:44,487 --> 00:31:48,991
I'm just gonna do one quick shout-out
to one of our writers

640
00:31:49,075 --> 00:31:52,328
and co-EPs on the show, Alan McElroy,

641
00:31:52,411 --> 00:31:54,372
who's wonderful and has been on the show...

642
00:31:54,455 --> 00:31:59,460
like, he's a <i>Star Trek</i> guy
and such a science head.

643
00:31:59,544 --> 00:32:05,424
And he was the one who suggested
the basis for the design of that...

644
00:32:05,508 --> 00:32:08,845
it's a Mandelbrot...
I think is how it's pronounced.

645
00:32:08,928 --> 00:32:12,807
And the design of the thing...
the portal, basically...

646
00:32:14,475 --> 00:32:16,602
I will get it wrong
if I try to explain it,

647
00:32:16,686 --> 00:32:18,980
so just look up Mandelbrot.

648
00:32:19,063 --> 00:32:21,983
But it's a really cool shape,

649
00:32:22,066 --> 00:32:24,610
- and there's some significance to it.
- Yes.

650
00:32:24,694 --> 00:32:26,070
And it's just such a cool...

651
00:32:26,154 --> 00:32:29,157
that, like, that became the basis
for what this portal looks like

652
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,202
and the way it overlaps kind of
on each other in a really neat way.

653
00:32:35,371 --> 00:32:37,540
That's beautiful. There's some...

654
00:32:37,623 --> 00:32:39,750
That's especially beautiful.

655
00:32:39,834 --> 00:32:41,043
We love Alan so much.

656
00:32:41,127 --> 00:32:43,379
I also feel like he did
such a phenomenal job

657
00:32:43,462 --> 00:32:44,672
on episode 2 of this season.

658
00:32:44,755 --> 00:32:47,800
I mean, all the episodes that he wrote,
but especially episode 2...

659
00:32:47,884 --> 00:32:50,344
it really touched me...
from this final season.

660
00:32:50,428 --> 00:32:53,431
But the Mandelbrot
has this divinity to it as well,

661
00:32:53,514 --> 00:32:57,977
which is so apropos for this season.

662
00:32:58,060 --> 00:33:00,521
So that is so dope, that he...

663
00:33:02,148 --> 00:33:04,233
- Yeah.
- ...that he came up with that.

664
00:33:04,317 --> 00:33:05,443
I love that.

665
00:33:07,236 --> 00:33:09,655
I was just gonna say
to you guys as compliment...

666
00:33:09,739 --> 00:33:11,616
or thank you for that.

667
00:33:12,408 --> 00:33:15,119
I was just looking at everybody
like Orville and Patrick

668
00:33:16,412 --> 00:33:17,788
and Mary and just...

669
00:33:17,872 --> 00:33:21,209
I think a big part of it...
David, I know you would agree with me...

670
00:33:22,793 --> 00:33:26,547
like you said, every single moment counts,
and us being able to, you know...

671
00:33:27,131 --> 00:33:30,009
us being able to imagine
this life with each other...

672
00:33:32,011 --> 00:33:33,596
it makes such a difference,

673
00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:35,514
and it really settles us.

674
00:33:35,598 --> 00:33:39,644
It cements us
in the authenticity of this world,

675
00:33:39,727 --> 00:33:45,233
that we're in this wild,
imagined life together, you know?

676
00:33:45,316 --> 00:33:46,609
Yeah.

677
00:33:46,692 --> 00:33:47,777
Absolutely.

678
00:33:48,694 --> 00:33:51,155
- I always felt very held.
- Yes!

679
00:33:51,239 --> 00:33:53,950
I just felt very well supported, you know?

680
00:33:54,033 --> 00:33:55,743
And even when I've mentioned something,

681
00:33:55,826 --> 00:33:58,496
they always encouraged us
to just aim high.

682
00:33:58,579 --> 00:34:02,333
It felt completely supportive
in every moment.

683
00:34:02,416 --> 00:34:03,459
And also, as well,

684
00:34:03,542 --> 00:34:05,920
listen, there were some days
when playing these scenes,

685
00:34:06,003 --> 00:34:09,090
I was thinking, "What the heck am I doing?
This is wild.

686
00:34:09,173 --> 00:34:10,758
It's not making any sense."

687
00:34:10,841 --> 00:34:12,760
This is happening and that's happening,

688
00:34:12,843 --> 00:34:16,597
and the absurdity of it all,
I find hilarious.

689
00:34:16,681 --> 00:34:18,015
Hilarious.

690
00:34:18,099 --> 00:34:19,475
- It is.
- Ridiculous.

691
00:34:19,558 --> 00:34:21,602
I love the challenge of that,

692
00:34:21,686 --> 00:34:23,688
just trusting and letting go

693
00:34:23,771 --> 00:34:26,148
and just immersing yourself
with what's in front of you,

694
00:34:26,232 --> 00:34:27,775
or not in front of you.

695
00:34:37,285 --> 00:34:38,744
Doug Jones.

696
00:34:38,828 --> 00:34:39,829
Action Saru.

697
00:34:39,912 --> 00:34:42,832
- Action Saru.
- Saru right there.

698
00:34:42,915 --> 00:34:45,876
By the way, I also wanna say,

699
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,964
one of the things, among the many,
that we all love about you, Sonequa...

700
00:34:50,047 --> 00:34:54,176
I'm just gonna give some love your way

701
00:34:54,927 --> 00:34:58,597
and just say I really appreciate

702
00:34:58,681 --> 00:35:02,226
how you always appreciate
every single person,

703
00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:05,104
every single cast member, our crew.

704
00:35:06,605 --> 00:35:08,941
Like, I notice
as we're going through this commentary,

705
00:35:09,025 --> 00:35:13,154
you're making a point to point out
everyone and their contributions.

706
00:35:15,156 --> 00:35:16,949
And that's just really lovely.

707
00:35:17,033 --> 00:35:18,034
It's one of the...

708
00:35:18,117 --> 00:35:22,705
Like, that generosity of spirit
just in this

709
00:35:22,788 --> 00:35:25,583
and in the way you are
with everybody on set...

710
00:35:25,666 --> 00:35:28,919
you're just honestly a dream to work with,

711
00:35:29,003 --> 00:35:32,882
and we love you,
and I just love that about you.

712
00:35:32,965 --> 00:35:34,300
That's who you are.

713
00:35:35,843 --> 00:35:37,011
Michelle...

714
00:35:37,803 --> 00:35:40,931
Thank you for saying that. Praise God.

715
00:35:41,015 --> 00:35:42,141
That's so...

716
00:35:42,224 --> 00:35:44,226
I think
you're gonna make her cry, Michelle.

717
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:46,729
I know. Look. I know.

718
00:35:46,812 --> 00:35:49,148
- I do not want to cry.
- We should turn the video on.

719
00:35:49,231 --> 00:35:51,108
Let's turn the video on.

720
00:35:52,818 --> 00:35:55,422
But it's true. Like, you know,
we're going through this commentary,

721
00:35:55,446 --> 00:35:58,282
and you're noting everyone,

722
00:35:58,366 --> 00:36:02,703
because everyone does contribute
and, you know,

723
00:36:02,787 --> 00:36:07,416
that's a really wonderful thing
to notice and comment on

724
00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:09,585
and notice what everyone brings to it.

725
00:36:09,668 --> 00:36:11,712
And that's just lovely.

726
00:36:11,796 --> 00:36:14,423
And you do that with everyone on the set.

727
00:36:14,507 --> 00:36:15,716
Absolutely.

728
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,093
That is the truth.

729
00:36:17,927 --> 00:36:20,262
It makes a difference...
makes a difference, right?

730
00:36:20,346 --> 00:36:22,056
When people come to work every day

731
00:36:22,139 --> 00:36:25,476
and they know that
that consistency is there.

732
00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:26,685
Yeah.

733
00:36:26,769 --> 00:36:28,521
It changes... It changes everything.

734
00:36:28,604 --> 00:36:31,190
Because we've all been in situations
where it's not there,

735
00:36:31,273 --> 00:36:32,233
- you know...
- Yeah.

736
00:36:32,234 --> 00:36:33,960
...on different shows
that we've been a part of

737
00:36:33,984 --> 00:36:35,403
over our careers, right?

738
00:36:36,028 --> 00:36:38,155
And that's hard. Now, the shows are hard.

739
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,866
Movies... Television shows
are hard to make as they are

740
00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:42,493
just normally, right?

741
00:36:43,285 --> 00:36:48,833
And... But when you have a leader
who is making everybody feel at home

742
00:36:48,916 --> 00:36:51,961
and who actually cares about
what everyone is going through,

743
00:36:52,795 --> 00:36:54,505
and who they are as people,

744
00:36:55,131 --> 00:36:57,258
it changes... it changes everything.

745
00:36:58,050 --> 00:36:59,176
Absolutely.

746
00:36:59,260 --> 00:37:02,388
Thank you all so much.
It was... I was blessed to do it.

747
00:37:02,471 --> 00:37:05,975
I... God really blessed me and...

748
00:37:06,058 --> 00:37:09,019
and it was such an honor too, you know.

749
00:37:09,103 --> 00:37:10,771
Like, this group of people, man.

750
00:37:11,605 --> 00:37:13,941
It was so easy, you know,

751
00:37:14,024 --> 00:37:17,653
and that's also not something
we experience very often, right?

752
00:37:18,154 --> 00:37:19,155
Yeah.

753
00:37:20,281 --> 00:37:24,535
But, yeah, everybody...
It's just a phenomenal group of people.

754
00:37:24,618 --> 00:37:26,912
But thank you, guys.

755
00:37:26,996 --> 00:37:31,375
My absolute privilege and joy to be
a part of this journey with you guys.

756
00:37:31,459 --> 00:37:34,378
- Yeah.
- Truly, truly. Yeah, absolutely.

757
00:37:34,462 --> 00:37:38,299
Yeah. It's a long journey,
you know, that we've been on.

758
00:37:38,382 --> 00:37:41,093
And you know, it's...

759
00:37:41,177 --> 00:37:43,971
What was so unique for me
in this journey was,

760
00:37:45,306 --> 00:37:47,433
you know, meeting Alex for the first time.

761
00:37:48,267 --> 00:37:52,688
And, you know, we actually met
in a bathroom for the first time.

762
00:37:52,771 --> 00:37:56,734
And it's a funny, funny story.
I'll save it for another... another time.

763
00:37:56,817 --> 00:37:58,611
But what I really appreciated

764
00:37:58,694 --> 00:38:01,071
was just this creating...
him creating a space

765
00:38:01,155 --> 00:38:06,035
where we all felt like we could
do our biggest and most epic work,

766
00:38:06,118 --> 00:38:07,661
whatever that may be.

767
00:38:07,745 --> 00:38:10,831
Because often in television
and in movies, it's very rare

768
00:38:10,915 --> 00:38:15,628
that you're able to reach for the stars
and say anything is possible.

769
00:38:16,128 --> 00:38:18,380
And so to have an environment
that was created,

770
00:38:19,173 --> 00:38:22,635
and a universe that was created,
that allowed us to do that type of thing,

771
00:38:22,718 --> 00:38:25,387
was just, you know...

772
00:38:25,471 --> 00:38:29,517
This is...
It's a once-in-a-lifetime experience and...

773
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,810
and to merge that with <i>Trek,</i>
you know, and he...

774
00:38:31,894 --> 00:38:35,731
and he wrote the reboot of <i>Trek.</i>
It came out in the movies, you know.

775
00:38:36,607 --> 00:38:42,071
It's quite a universe that...
that he allowed us to come play in.

776
00:38:42,154 --> 00:38:43,155
Yeah.

777
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,825
Well said, Tunde.
He's an absolute visionary.

778
00:38:47,493 --> 00:38:50,871
He is way more brilliant
than a lot of people even understand,

779
00:38:50,955 --> 00:38:56,835
and the way he brought cinema
to our iteration especially.

780
00:38:56,919 --> 00:39:01,799
And I just... I just... I ditto.
I ditto everything you said.

781
00:39:01,882 --> 00:39:06,220
Also speaking from... speaking from, like...

782
00:39:06,303 --> 00:39:10,099
speaking about leading from kindness
as well, you know.

783
00:39:11,016 --> 00:39:12,393
Such an inspiring...

784
00:39:12,476 --> 00:39:15,771
He was such an inspiring leader as well,
just like the two of you.

785
00:39:17,940 --> 00:39:21,902
Yeah, I remember watching him
over the years in certain times

786
00:39:22,152 --> 00:39:26,240
and just being... just being floored
by what he's capable of,

787
00:39:26,323 --> 00:39:32,162
and, you know, by what he...
what he poured in here into our story.

788
00:39:33,038 --> 00:39:37,585
Yeah. Sonequa, you were saying
that he's more brilliant than people know.

789
00:39:37,668 --> 00:39:44,383
He really is and he's...
he's so kind, like, he's...

790
00:39:45,050 --> 00:39:48,470
he's kind and generous and thoughtful

791
00:39:48,554 --> 00:39:53,642
and he's, you know, like all of you,
like everyone on the show,

792
00:39:53,726 --> 00:39:56,437
he's someone who wants
to lift up those around him

793
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,106
and create opportunities and, you know,

794
00:39:59,898 --> 00:40:03,569
he created an opportunity for me
to come in and do this,

795
00:40:03,652 --> 00:40:07,823
and it's been just the best experience.

796
00:40:07,906 --> 00:40:10,284
I mean, I just... I'm so grateful for it.

797
00:40:11,535 --> 00:40:17,458
He's really just a wonderful mentor,
friend, human being, colleague,

798
00:40:17,541 --> 00:40:18,959
all the things.

799
00:40:21,378 --> 00:40:22,880
Oh, my goodness.

800
00:40:24,006 --> 00:40:25,007
So true.

801
00:40:25,799 --> 00:40:29,470
And here's our Progenitor. Here she is.

802
00:40:29,553 --> 00:40:31,930
That's Somkele, I think.

803
00:40:32,014 --> 00:40:34,224
If I butcher her name
I apologize, Somkele.

804
00:40:34,308 --> 00:40:36,393
Yeah, she came in
and killed it from the start.

805
00:40:36,477 --> 00:40:39,563
Her audition was just bonkers,
you know, like,

806
00:40:39,647 --> 00:40:41,982
she was this character from the get-go.

807
00:40:42,816 --> 00:40:44,360
She... If I remember correctly,

808
00:40:44,443 --> 00:40:48,656
she was actually supposed
to be a different character. Originally.

809
00:40:48,739 --> 00:40:53,327
She was cast as something,
I think, in season 4,

810
00:40:53,410 --> 00:40:55,663
and then for whatever reason
couldn't end up doing it.

811
00:40:55,746 --> 00:41:00,668
But we remembered her audition,
and we remembered her as an actor

812
00:41:00,751 --> 00:41:02,795
just being incredible.

813
00:41:02,878 --> 00:41:05,255
And so when it came time
to cast the Progenitor,

814
00:41:05,923 --> 00:41:08,634
I remember just being,
"Oh, well, it's got to be her."

815
00:41:08,717 --> 00:41:10,052
- That's right.
- Yeah.

816
00:41:10,761 --> 00:41:14,348
- So full of grace and...
- Yeah.

817
00:41:14,431 --> 00:41:15,891
...and regality.

818
00:41:16,433 --> 00:41:17,726
That's, like, that's it.

819
00:41:17,810 --> 00:41:22,523
Like, she has to carry this,
like, the weight of the character

820
00:41:22,606 --> 00:41:26,402
and the years and the role.

821
00:41:26,485 --> 00:41:29,446
And it's all right there in her eyes.
It's really...

822
00:41:30,656 --> 00:41:31,740
And you can see her eyes

823
00:41:31,824 --> 00:41:34,201
beneath all the prosthetics
that she had to sit through.

824
00:41:34,284 --> 00:41:36,078
That's right. That's right.

825
00:41:36,161 --> 00:41:39,081
And Anthony Tran,
our new costume designer,

826
00:41:39,164 --> 00:41:41,125
you know, there at the tail end after...

827
00:41:42,167 --> 00:41:43,961
he was beloved, so brilliant...

828
00:41:44,044 --> 00:41:47,673
after our beloved and brilliant
Gersha Phillips left, you know.

829
00:41:47,756 --> 00:41:50,134
He did such a beautiful job
here too with her,

830
00:41:50,217 --> 00:41:52,428
- I mean, with all of us...
- Yeah.

831
00:41:52,511 --> 00:41:54,096
...but with her too.

832
00:41:54,179 --> 00:41:58,475
You just... You just see it,
you feel it, you get it.

833
00:42:00,477 --> 00:42:02,563
And our... And shout-out
to our prosthetics team,

834
00:42:02,646 --> 00:42:04,523
Glenn and his team,

835
00:42:04,606 --> 00:42:11,071
with, like, taking the original,
like, idea for the Progenitors,

836
00:42:11,155 --> 00:42:12,823
and then updating it a little bit

837
00:42:13,907 --> 00:42:16,547
and just, I mean, all the prosthetics
all the way around, you know,

838
00:42:16,577 --> 00:42:23,125
that brings our nonhuman creature...
people... species to life.

839
00:42:24,001 --> 00:42:28,255
Yeah, because it's... You know,
the prosthetics are... work on two fronts.

840
00:42:28,922 --> 00:42:33,469
On the first front, the...
it's the actor's ability

841
00:42:33,552 --> 00:42:37,723
to act beneath all of that silicone
and make it come to life

842
00:42:37,806 --> 00:42:42,561
and having to sometimes overact
in order to get it to come out.

843
00:42:43,103 --> 00:42:44,563
And Doug has...

844
00:42:44,646 --> 00:42:47,441
has taught me a lot about
what goes on underneath that...

845
00:42:47,524 --> 00:42:48,525
underneath that rubber.

846
00:42:48,609 --> 00:42:50,652
It's quite... It's quite impressive.

847
00:42:50,736 --> 00:42:52,362
And then on the other front,

848
00:42:52,446 --> 00:42:55,491
the prosthetics have to be able
to allow the actors to emote

849
00:42:55,574 --> 00:42:59,119
while also looking like the alien species
that we want them to look like.

850
00:42:59,203 --> 00:43:03,040
And I think Glenn has just been
masterful over the years for us with that...

851
00:43:03,123 --> 00:43:06,168
- Yeah.
- ...in being able to find that balance

852
00:43:06,251 --> 00:43:09,087
and that flexibility within the makeup.

853
00:43:09,171 --> 00:43:15,761
Yeah. And it does take really just
special actors to be able to do that.

854
00:43:17,221 --> 00:43:20,724
Somkele, Doug, of course, Elias...

855
00:43:22,476 --> 00:43:24,311
- David.
- ...David. Yeah.

856
00:43:24,394 --> 00:43:27,898
Just all of our actors under all of that

857
00:43:27,981 --> 00:43:31,568
- to be able to bring out the characters.
- Yeah.

858
00:43:32,694 --> 00:43:36,281
And then Hannah Cheesman
and Sara Mitich who were both Airiam.

859
00:43:36,365 --> 00:43:37,825
- Them too.
- Yes.

860
00:43:37,908 --> 00:43:41,620
And then obviously Mary Chieffo
and Shazad with the, you know,

861
00:43:41,703 --> 00:43:45,999
way back in our early days,
they played Klingons.

862
00:43:46,083 --> 00:43:50,671
It's like, man, people don't realize
how difficult what they do really is.

863
00:43:52,214 --> 00:43:54,495
Like, a lot of... Like you said,
it takes a special actor.

864
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:56,653
A lot of actors would just simply
not be able to do it.

865
00:43:56,677 --> 00:43:58,887
It's a big part of the reality, isn't it?

866
00:43:58,971 --> 00:44:01,682
Because, like,
we're dealing with stuff that...

867
00:44:01,765 --> 00:44:03,141
it's sci-fi, it doesn't exist.

868
00:44:03,225 --> 00:44:05,853
And, you know,
sci-fi is an allegory for real life,

869
00:44:05,936 --> 00:44:09,731
but it's not real until we look
at these faces

870
00:44:09,815 --> 00:44:12,192
- and they tell us it's real, right?
- Yeah.

871
00:44:12,276 --> 00:44:14,778
No matter what you do, like,
it all comes back down...

872
00:44:14,862 --> 00:44:18,156
the gravity, the way it all works...
it comes back down to their performance,

873
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:21,618
and how believable they're making
that performance in the moment.

874
00:44:22,703 --> 00:44:25,539
Yeah. And the actor who plays Grudge.

875
00:44:25,622 --> 00:44:26,707
Oh, Grudge.

876
00:44:27,749 --> 00:44:29,167
Yeah. I mean...

877
00:44:29,251 --> 00:44:32,337
That day I found out
there were two Grudges...

878
00:44:34,464 --> 00:44:35,549
That's the funniest.

879
00:44:35,632 --> 00:44:38,069
- That's still one of my favorite stories.
- That was too funny.

880
00:44:38,093 --> 00:44:39,093
Yeah. Yeah.

881
00:44:39,094 --> 00:44:42,264
If you haven't heard it,
I'll repeat it here, you know,

882
00:44:42,347 --> 00:44:44,099
which was, you know, we were ha...

883
00:44:44,182 --> 00:44:45,601
Grudge was acting up one day,

884
00:44:45,684 --> 00:44:48,979
and I was trying to get Grudge
to do a particular thing

885
00:44:49,062 --> 00:44:51,106
on set with David,

886
00:44:51,189 --> 00:44:53,233
and it just wasn't happening.

887
00:44:53,317 --> 00:44:57,112
Grudge was not listening to the director,

888
00:44:57,195 --> 00:45:02,367
and... and then...
and then the wrangler says,

889
00:45:02,451 --> 00:45:04,661
"Well, how about if we use the other one?"

890
00:45:04,745 --> 00:45:09,791
And I'm, "What are you talking about,
the other one?"

891
00:45:09,875 --> 00:45:13,795
"Yeah, his brother," you know, I'm like...

892
00:45:13,879 --> 00:45:15,047
And then David comes out

893
00:45:15,130 --> 00:45:18,300
and David was like,
"Yeah. Why don't you use the other one?"

894
00:45:18,383 --> 00:45:21,553
So David knew the whole time
there were two.

895
00:45:21,637 --> 00:45:23,347
Wasn't this season 4?

896
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:26,266
Like, we had had Grudge all of season 3

897
00:45:26,350 --> 00:45:29,144
and now we're halfway into season 4
when you find out.

898
00:45:29,227 --> 00:45:31,480
- Yeah.
- It was Leeu and Durban.

899
00:45:31,563 --> 00:45:34,316
- I remember their names.
- Oh, my gosh, how do you remember that?

900
00:45:34,399 --> 00:45:37,611
Yo, because Leeu was the older brother
who didn't want to be there.

901
00:45:37,694 --> 00:45:42,532
- And Durban was sweet and, you know...
- More chilled, yeah.

902
00:45:42,616 --> 00:45:45,285
- Oh, my gosh.
- David...

903
00:45:45,369 --> 00:45:48,163
David took a lot of...
took a lot of heat from Leeu.

904
00:45:48,664 --> 00:45:51,625
Listen, listen.
And my heart is still open.

905
00:45:52,668 --> 00:45:54,920
Oh, man, that cat works on me sometimes.

906
00:45:55,712 --> 00:45:57,923
- Seriously.
- I love this moment between them.

907
00:45:58,006 --> 00:46:00,175
- I love all their moments.
- Yeah.

908
00:46:00,258 --> 00:46:03,220
I mean, goodness, Mary is just
one of the most...

909
00:46:03,303 --> 00:46:06,473
one of the most exceptional actors
I've ever... I've ever worked with.

910
00:46:06,556 --> 00:46:08,433
Yes. 100%.

911
00:46:08,517 --> 00:46:10,394
She can... She can do anything.

912
00:46:12,020 --> 00:46:13,230
Agreed.

913
00:46:15,857 --> 00:46:18,193
But I love how their dynamic...

914
00:46:18,276 --> 00:46:21,613
specifically Rayner and Tilly...

915
00:46:21,697 --> 00:46:25,575
I love how their dynamic
grew and changed and...

916
00:46:25,659 --> 00:46:27,035
over the course of the season.

917
00:46:27,995 --> 00:46:28,996
It was really fun...

918
00:46:29,079 --> 00:46:34,042
Episode 4 of this season, in particular,
I thought was really cool.

919
00:46:34,126 --> 00:46:37,087
When you were talking about Mary...
Just watching her play,

920
00:46:37,170 --> 00:46:40,424
who she was in season 1 versus now.

921
00:46:40,507 --> 00:46:43,719
And you. Who you were in season 1
versus who you are now.

922
00:46:44,678 --> 00:46:47,264
All the characters, really.

923
00:46:47,347 --> 00:46:52,269
And it just was such a, like...
It was such a fascinating thing

924
00:46:52,352 --> 00:46:56,940
to watch you as actors go back at,
and then play where you are now.

925
00:46:57,816 --> 00:46:58,984
Yeah.

926
00:47:07,284 --> 00:47:09,036
David, I gotta ask.

927
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:13,957
So, the last season your planet blew up.
Your home world blew up.

928
00:47:14,666 --> 00:47:19,087
This... This season, you know,
that didn't quite happen,

929
00:47:19,171 --> 00:47:21,315
but obviously it's still
in the history of your character.

930
00:47:21,339 --> 00:47:23,675
Like, you know,
what was the biggest difference

931
00:47:23,759 --> 00:47:29,014
you would say... if there was any...
between working these two seasons?

932
00:47:30,891 --> 00:47:34,478
Yeah, that's a great question, Tunde.

933
00:47:36,104 --> 00:47:40,942
I feel shooting season 5

934
00:47:41,526 --> 00:47:43,320
and that journey for Cleveland Booker,

935
00:47:43,403 --> 00:47:45,155
I think it was just...

936
00:47:45,864 --> 00:47:48,450
You realize that even though
this is someone dealing with...

937
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,454
an immeasurable amount of grief,

938
00:47:52,537 --> 00:47:56,541
he also realizes how blessed he is
to be afforded a second chance.

939
00:47:57,626 --> 00:48:00,337
And I think when he's offered
that invitation,

940
00:48:01,088 --> 00:48:04,091
I think he grabs it with dear, dear life.

941
00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:09,137
I don't know. I think that there's a lot...

942
00:48:09,221 --> 00:48:12,891
Everyone at one point in their journey,
every character in the show,

943
00:48:12,974 --> 00:48:15,102
- has been given a second chance.
- Yes.

944
00:48:15,185 --> 00:48:19,773
And, you know, to see someone
"fall from grace,"

945
00:48:19,856 --> 00:48:23,110
be afforded a second chance
to just be the better version,

946
00:48:23,193 --> 00:48:26,613
the best version of himself...
not the perfect version of himself,

947
00:48:26,696 --> 00:48:28,782
but the most authentic
version of himself...

948
00:48:28,865 --> 00:48:31,910
I think is a very special thing
to witness on screen.

949
00:48:31,993 --> 00:48:36,248
And I enjoyed, maybe...
I'm not sure if that's the right word.

950
00:48:36,331 --> 00:48:41,336
I felt very privileged to be given
that blessing to tell that story.

951
00:48:43,088 --> 00:48:45,465
It was a blessing to watch you
tell that story, David.

952
00:48:45,549 --> 00:48:50,428
I just... I just have to say, like, I...
You know, I big you up all the time.

953
00:48:50,512 --> 00:48:52,472
You probably are tired of it
at this point.

954
00:48:52,556 --> 00:48:54,099
I big you all up all the time.

955
00:48:54,182 --> 00:48:55,475
- But, man...
- No, no, no.

956
00:48:55,559 --> 00:48:57,394
I would just have to say, like,

957
00:48:57,477 --> 00:49:02,983
there's just such a...
such a wild freedom to you as Book.

958
00:49:03,066 --> 00:49:06,069
But then there's also this quiet wisdom.

959
00:49:06,153 --> 00:49:09,364
But then there's also this, like,
brightness and this charm,

960
00:49:09,447 --> 00:49:13,410
and that is a lot to encapsulate
in one person.

961
00:49:14,578 --> 00:49:16,997
And so it's been such a blessing
to watch you

962
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,333
and to be in the story with you

963
00:49:21,042 --> 00:49:24,504
and just witness, you know, your art...

964
00:49:25,505 --> 00:49:26,941
- That's so lovely.
- ...because it's...

965
00:49:26,965 --> 00:49:30,093
it's really exceptional as well.

966
00:49:30,844 --> 00:49:32,804
- Thank you, SMG.
- Well said.

967
00:49:32,888 --> 00:49:34,431
- Thank you.
- Yeah.

968
00:49:34,514 --> 00:49:36,099
It's a real... It's a real privilege.

969
00:49:36,183 --> 00:49:38,894
I said it earlier, you know,
just in terms of the...

970
00:49:39,728 --> 00:49:41,855
this work... not even the work,

971
00:49:41,938 --> 00:49:46,860
but just the specificities
of character journeys

972
00:49:46,943 --> 00:49:49,196
that we're able to embark on as actors

973
00:49:49,279 --> 00:49:51,823
- are so very, very fulfilling, you know.
- Yes.

974
00:49:51,907 --> 00:49:55,911
And getting, like... Sonequa, for yourself,
with Michael Burnham, that is a character

975
00:49:55,994 --> 00:49:59,915
that's constantly evolving
from season to season to season.

976
00:49:59,998 --> 00:50:02,918
And I won't even call it
reinventing the wheel,

977
00:50:03,001 --> 00:50:05,921
but it's just trusting in the process

978
00:50:06,004 --> 00:50:08,256
that these characters
are so well fleshed out

979
00:50:08,340 --> 00:50:11,134
that they will constantly
be able to be rebirthed.

980
00:50:11,843 --> 00:50:15,013
So true. And that's all...
that's big-ups to Michelle.

981
00:50:15,096 --> 00:50:18,683
Michelle, I mean, you know,
you led the way with that

982
00:50:18,767 --> 00:50:20,644
- and you... you put, you know...
- 100%.

983
00:50:20,727 --> 00:50:22,997
...you took the pen out of your heart
and put it to paper,

984
00:50:23,021 --> 00:50:29,486
and you led our wonderful, you know,
writing team just...

985
00:50:29,569 --> 00:50:31,569
You know, we talked a lot
about character evolution

986
00:50:31,613 --> 00:50:33,073
being a cornerstone of our show.

987
00:50:33,156 --> 00:50:36,451
And it is very much because of you,
because of your vision,

988
00:50:36,534 --> 00:50:38,245
because of your heart, you know.

989
00:50:38,328 --> 00:50:40,830
You lead with kindness as well, Michelle.

990
00:50:40,914 --> 00:50:45,919
And you just... you live the lives
of all of these people, and you can tell.

991
00:50:46,711 --> 00:50:48,004
You can tell that you do.

992
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:52,342
And, you know, it's... We just...
We're really grateful for you

993
00:50:52,425 --> 00:50:54,803
for giving us the opportunity
to be these people,

994
00:50:54,886 --> 00:50:57,430
and to have this kind of,
like David was saying,

995
00:50:57,514 --> 00:51:01,893
this... to have this, like,
fulfilling work to do, you know,

996
00:51:01,977 --> 00:51:03,186
to bring to life.

997
00:51:04,980 --> 00:51:06,666
- Yeah, that's why...
- And it's meant as much...

998
00:51:06,690 --> 00:51:07,899
Sorry, Tunde. Please.

999
00:51:07,983 --> 00:51:11,528
I was gonna say that that's well said,
and, you know, these shows are...

1000
00:51:11,611 --> 00:51:13,863
as we've talked about before...
very difficult to make

1001
00:51:13,947 --> 00:51:18,368
and very difficult to get these shows
up on their feet in the beginning seasons.

1002
00:51:18,868 --> 00:51:23,707
And it was a wonderful thing
when Michelle became showrunner,

1003
00:51:24,499 --> 00:51:28,962
for all of us, because the show stabilized
and smoothed out.

1004
00:51:29,045 --> 00:51:31,673
And we were getting
these incredible stories

1005
00:51:32,215 --> 00:51:37,387
and the chaos that can often accompany

1006
00:51:37,470 --> 00:51:39,764
a large show just smoothed out,

1007
00:51:39,848 --> 00:51:43,685
and became...
It was a smooth-running train.

1008
00:51:44,436 --> 00:51:48,732
As smooth as a show this size can be
and as smooth as filmmaking can be,

1009
00:51:48,815 --> 00:51:52,402
because we all know
what filmmaking is at its base.

1010
00:51:52,485 --> 00:51:55,322
But it was a smooth-running train
when Michelle came aboard

1011
00:51:56,489 --> 00:51:57,532
and did her thing.

1012
00:51:57,615 --> 00:52:02,620
And, essentially, you know,
I'm a... I love... I love sports, you know.

1013
00:52:03,663 --> 00:52:07,334
She led us to the Super Bowl.
She led us to the championship.

1014
00:52:07,417 --> 00:52:08,793
- She led us to victory.
- Yeah.

1015
00:52:08,877 --> 00:52:10,295
- And it's... It's just...
- Wow.

1016
00:52:10,378 --> 00:52:13,965
It's just that period when you came in
that I'll always remember and be like,

1017
00:52:14,049 --> 00:52:17,469
yeah, you know, that's...
that's where she stepped aboard.

1018
00:52:18,428 --> 00:52:20,031
- Round of applause, Michelle.
- Well done.

1019
00:52:20,055 --> 00:52:21,181
Thank you.

1020
00:52:21,264 --> 00:52:23,224
We're trying... We're also trying
to make you cry.

1021
00:52:23,892 --> 00:52:25,226
It doesn't take a lot.

1022
00:52:26,519 --> 00:52:28,021
How do you like that?

1023
00:52:29,606 --> 00:52:31,608
Yes, Tunde, your moment is coming,
don't you worry.

1024
00:52:34,444 --> 00:52:36,630
- Just to change the subject...
- And as for the show...

1025
00:52:36,654 --> 00:52:37,864
Go for it, David.

1026
00:52:37,947 --> 00:52:40,325
No, we're... With the show, you know,

1027
00:52:40,408 --> 00:52:42,535
we deal with heavy themes, you know.

1028
00:52:42,619 --> 00:52:44,746
And from creating these stories

1029
00:52:44,829 --> 00:52:47,540
and fleshing out the storytelling
and making it impactful,

1030
00:52:47,624 --> 00:52:48,792
making it relevant,

1031
00:52:49,542 --> 00:52:52,629
we have a lot of fun, you know,
and it's a testament to your characters.

1032
00:52:53,129 --> 00:52:57,384
You know, like Michelle, yourself,
I have very specific relationships

1033
00:52:57,467 --> 00:53:01,346
and different relationships with you all,
which I value so wonderfully,

1034
00:53:01,429 --> 00:53:03,598
because they feel
very personal and unique.

1035
00:53:03,681 --> 00:53:06,559
And I love the banter, Michelle.

1036
00:53:06,643 --> 00:53:09,187
The jokes that I say to you
that go over your head,

1037
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:10,910
jokes you say to me that go over my head.

1038
00:53:10,939 --> 00:53:12,857
I mean, sometimes they land
and it's hilarious.

1039
00:53:12,941 --> 00:53:15,485
But it's just our little thing
that we have.

1040
00:53:15,568 --> 00:53:19,114
And then with Tunde,
the banter and camaraderie that we have.

1041
00:53:19,197 --> 00:53:20,323
SMG.

1042
00:53:20,407 --> 00:53:24,494
And I just... I love the natural levity
that you all bring as artists

1043
00:53:24,577 --> 00:53:25,745
to the work we do.

1044
00:53:25,829 --> 00:53:29,332
I think that buoyancy
is what really allows us to fly.

1045
00:53:30,166 --> 00:53:32,252
- Thank you for that.
- Right back at you.

1046
00:53:32,335 --> 00:53:36,589
I have a question actually,
for both you, Michelle, and Tunde.

1047
00:53:37,215 --> 00:53:42,011
That sequence that we just came out of,
that victory

1048
00:53:42,095 --> 00:53:45,890
that was slowed down for us,
like, for both of you,

1049
00:53:45,974 --> 00:53:48,143
did it exceed your expectations, Michelle,

1050
00:53:48,226 --> 00:53:52,522
when you were putting pen to paper
and leading your team, our writers?

1051
00:53:53,731 --> 00:53:57,235
And then, I know you said
you cowrote this with Kyle...

1052
00:53:57,318 --> 00:53:58,820
Is it Jarrow or Jaarrow?

1053
00:53:58,903 --> 00:54:00,023
- I've never known.
- Jarrow.

1054
00:54:00,071 --> 00:54:01,351
Yeah, it's Jarrow. He's awesome.

1055
00:54:01,406 --> 00:54:03,741
When y'all were... Yes, he is.

1056
00:54:03,825 --> 00:54:05,719
And when y'all were cowriting this
and then, Tunde,

1057
00:54:05,743 --> 00:54:10,165
when you were getting your,
you know, getting your shot selection

1058
00:54:10,248 --> 00:54:13,334
figured out in your mind,
it's like, did it exceed your expectations

1059
00:54:13,418 --> 00:54:14,919
with the way it turned out?

1060
00:54:15,003 --> 00:54:17,797
The whole episode,
but then especially this sequence.

1061
00:54:18,381 --> 00:54:22,302
Like, coming up to our, you know...
us being victorious.

1062
00:54:22,886 --> 00:54:24,971
Yeah, I have to say, I mean...

1063
00:54:25,805 --> 00:54:29,559
Here's where... Here's where Tunde
is going to get his, now, to...

1064
00:54:29,642 --> 00:54:31,311
- Here we go.
- Here we go.

1065
00:54:31,394 --> 00:54:35,607
Yeah, I just... I don't ever
want to do another show without Tunde,

1066
00:54:35,690 --> 00:54:37,358
and I don't say that jokingly.

1067
00:54:37,442 --> 00:54:38,610
I mean that quite seriously.

1068
00:54:38,693 --> 00:54:41,988
He's... You're brilliant.
You're just brilliant.

1069
00:54:42,071 --> 00:54:44,991
And whatever... Like that is... That...

1070
00:54:45,074 --> 00:54:47,076
You were asking about
that particular sequence.

1071
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,454
It's such a...
It's such an important sequence.

1072
00:54:49,537 --> 00:54:52,457
We didn't know at the time
that it was going to, you know...

1073
00:54:52,540 --> 00:54:56,127
Of course, it's the culmination of this...
the episode and the season

1074
00:54:56,211 --> 00:55:01,299
and it's gonna be, like, the final action,
like, culmination victory event

1075
00:55:01,382 --> 00:55:03,051
of the series, actually.

1076
00:55:03,134 --> 00:55:07,722
And to go from that
into the "Burnham as a kid,"

1077
00:55:08,473 --> 00:55:10,767
and going through all of time, like...

1078
00:55:11,601 --> 00:55:15,772
You know, you just...
You need someone visionary

1079
00:55:15,855 --> 00:55:17,899
to be able to bring that to life.

1080
00:55:17,982 --> 00:55:21,694
And there's nothing Tunde has ever done

1081
00:55:21,778 --> 00:55:24,072
that hasn't exceeded
what I thought it would be.

1082
00:55:24,155 --> 00:55:29,827
And I just thought that's so
just typical Tunde,

1083
00:55:29,911 --> 00:55:32,956
just wonderful and beautiful and...

1084
00:55:33,039 --> 00:55:34,707
You know, it just... it...

1085
00:55:34,791 --> 00:55:38,002
Every time I just stop
whatever I'm doing and watch

1086
00:55:38,086 --> 00:55:40,713
and, you know...
I know what's gonna happen...

1087
00:55:41,214 --> 00:55:45,260
- Right!
- I stop and watch.

1088
00:55:45,343 --> 00:55:48,513
And the fact that Tunde, he's...

1089
00:55:49,097 --> 00:55:52,433
You're just...
You're one of those rare, rare directors

1090
00:55:52,517 --> 00:55:54,894
who... you can do all the things.

1091
00:55:54,978 --> 00:56:01,276
And in doing the action,
you also lead with the heart and gumption.

1092
00:56:01,359 --> 00:56:06,447
And that's... You don't always
feel that in action sequences.

1093
00:56:06,531 --> 00:56:08,241
Action sequences in particular,

1094
00:56:08,324 --> 00:56:11,327
I think it's easy to lose the heart
because, you know,

1095
00:56:11,411 --> 00:56:13,871
someone is so focused
on what the shot is gonna be

1096
00:56:13,955 --> 00:56:16,207
or the, you know, the big fight thing,

1097
00:56:16,291 --> 00:56:19,877
but you never lose
what the moment is about.

1098
00:56:19,961 --> 00:56:26,342
And so it feels exciting
and heart-blowing at the same time.

1099
00:56:27,260 --> 00:56:29,470
Heart-blowing isn't a word. It's not...

1100
00:56:29,554 --> 00:56:31,681
That's how we would describe Tunde though.

1101
00:56:31,764 --> 00:56:34,934
That heart-blowing
is what he is in general.

1102
00:56:35,018 --> 00:56:37,186
Heart-exploding, I think is what I meant.

1103
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:41,608
But, you know. Heart-blowing is okay too.
Anyway.

1104
00:56:41,691 --> 00:56:42,817
You're wonderful.

1105
00:56:42,900 --> 00:56:44,503
- You're the best.
- Yeah, thanks for all that.

1106
00:56:44,527 --> 00:56:45,612
I appreciate that.

1107
00:56:46,237 --> 00:56:47,905
Yeah, it...

1108
00:56:47,989 --> 00:56:53,036
Yeah, I mean, and you
almost made me cry, but, you know...

1109
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:57,832
But I would...
Did the sequence exceed my expectation?

1110
00:56:57,915 --> 00:57:03,004
It did because everybody working
on the sequence exceeded my expectations.

1111
00:57:04,297 --> 00:57:07,091
I mean, I just... It's...

1112
00:57:07,925 --> 00:57:10,762
It's a really emotional thing, I think,

1113
00:57:10,845 --> 00:57:14,641
directing when you
care about something so much

1114
00:57:14,724 --> 00:57:17,310
and you realize that
the people you're working with

1115
00:57:17,393 --> 00:57:19,520
care about it just as much as you do.

1116
00:57:19,604 --> 00:57:23,107
Often directors will find themselves
in situations

1117
00:57:23,191 --> 00:57:27,362
where they feel very isolated and lonely
that they're the only ones who care

1118
00:57:27,445 --> 00:57:29,131
as much as they do
about a particular project,

1119
00:57:29,155 --> 00:57:31,074
and everyone else kind of just
wants to go home.

1120
00:57:32,158 --> 00:57:35,578
And while we all need to go home
and that's understandable,

1121
00:57:36,329 --> 00:57:38,081
I mean, we all have those feelings,

1122
00:57:38,706 --> 00:57:39,986
it really felt like everybody...

1123
00:57:40,041 --> 00:57:42,361
and we didn't know this was going
to be our last episode...

1124
00:57:43,169 --> 00:57:45,713
it really felt like everybody
was really giving it everything,

1125
00:57:45,797 --> 00:57:47,507
as I mentioned before.

1126
00:57:47,590 --> 00:57:50,093
But it's all of the simple things.

1127
00:57:50,176 --> 00:57:51,803
It's the stuff in the shuttle, you know.

1128
00:57:51,886 --> 00:57:56,808
I did not expect the stuff in the shuttle
to be as emotionally poignant as it was,

1129
00:57:56,891 --> 00:57:59,227
both with Saru and Nhan,

1130
00:57:59,310 --> 00:58:04,107
and with David and Wilson.

1131
00:58:04,899 --> 00:58:06,984
That stuff, it just sang.

1132
00:58:07,068 --> 00:58:09,487
You know, it's the stuff
with the Progenitor.

1133
00:58:09,570 --> 00:58:12,615
I knew... Just because the script
was so good

1134
00:58:12,699 --> 00:58:14,617
and the dialogue
was so good in that scene...

1135
00:58:14,701 --> 00:58:16,244
I knew it was going to be good.

1136
00:58:16,828 --> 00:58:19,789
But I did not expect
to feel the emotions that I felt

1137
00:58:19,872 --> 00:58:24,752
while Sonequa and Somkele
were playing those roles.

1138
00:58:25,878 --> 00:58:27,630
And then the stuff on the bridge.

1139
00:58:27,714 --> 00:58:30,466
You know, we had... we've had
a lot of bridge stuff over the years.

1140
00:58:30,550 --> 00:58:32,802
The difference was
that we had Callum there.

1141
00:58:33,761 --> 00:58:35,763
And I thought he did a brilliant job.

1142
00:58:35,847 --> 00:58:38,808
And again, I did not expect
the relationships and the interplay

1143
00:58:38,891 --> 00:58:42,311
between everybody on the bridge
to be as poignant as it was.

1144
00:58:42,895 --> 00:58:47,567
And so, yeah, I think it did exceed
my expectations for sure.

1145
00:58:48,860 --> 00:58:51,654
I piggyback what Michelle said,
and I'll say this quick,

1146
00:58:51,738 --> 00:58:52,905
it's just a few other things.

1147
00:58:53,614 --> 00:58:56,159
But yeah, everything exceeds
expectations with you.

1148
00:58:56,743 --> 00:59:00,246
And it's because of you.
It's because of the genius you bring.

1149
00:59:00,329 --> 00:59:03,624
It's not just genius,
you know, intellectually,

1150
00:59:03,708 --> 00:59:06,836
you know, or artistically,
it's also genius emotionally.

1151
00:59:07,378 --> 00:59:09,881
Like Michelle was saying, it's like,

1152
00:59:09,964 --> 00:59:13,968
we could not have been who we were
as <i>Star Trek: Discovery</i> without you.

1153
00:59:15,303 --> 00:59:16,721
I mean, absolutely not.

1154
00:59:17,263 --> 00:59:19,307
- You really carried us.
- Yeah.

1155
00:59:19,390 --> 00:59:21,434
You just carried us the whole way through.

1156
00:59:21,517 --> 00:59:23,436
You carried us and you lifted us

1157
00:59:23,519 --> 00:59:25,938
- every single time, every single day.
- Yes.

1158
00:59:27,356 --> 00:59:29,275
And we're so blessed to have had you.

1159
00:59:29,817 --> 00:59:31,152
And this scene right here...

1160
00:59:31,235 --> 00:59:33,613
I was gonna speak on this scene
a moment ago too,

1161
00:59:33,696 --> 00:59:36,616
with Adira and Stamets,
because it was so beautiful.

1162
00:59:36,699 --> 00:59:39,035
Like, it was this beautiful
culminating moment

1163
00:59:39,118 --> 00:59:41,537
with the brilliant Anthony
and the brilliant Blu.

1164
00:59:42,413 --> 00:59:46,167
And such a nice, like,
button on their, you know,

1165
00:59:46,250 --> 00:59:49,837
father, child/adult relationship.

1166
00:59:50,963 --> 00:59:52,799
But this moment too.

1167
00:59:54,091 --> 01:00:00,389
I really loved this connection
with Book and Moll

1168
01:00:01,140 --> 01:00:02,767
that came...

1169
01:00:02,850 --> 01:00:05,394
It's like it came out of nowhere,
but it made perfect sense.

1170
01:00:06,854 --> 01:00:10,691
It was really nice to see, though.
That's why I've said a lot of times...

1171
01:00:10,775 --> 01:00:13,194
We've all said
that this is such a culminating season,

1172
01:00:13,277 --> 01:00:15,088
even though we didn't know
that it was the end.

1173
01:00:15,112 --> 01:00:16,280
It seems like it is.

1174
01:00:16,364 --> 01:00:20,493
Because there's so many ribbons
tied around storylines

1175
01:00:20,576 --> 01:00:23,329
and character dynamics and relationships

1176
01:00:23,412 --> 01:00:27,667
that it's just beautiful and it's such...
in such a beautiful way.

1177
01:00:29,168 --> 01:00:33,548
Yeah, David, I love the way you played
that particular scene with her.

1178
01:00:33,631 --> 01:00:35,633
It just... It was so lovely.

1179
01:00:35,716 --> 01:00:40,638
It was so simple and so lovely
and it felt real.

1180
01:00:41,389 --> 01:00:43,599
- Thank you, Ms. Paradise.
- Felt true.

1181
01:00:43,683 --> 01:00:46,102
- Thank you.
- Yeah, that's a good way...

1182
01:00:46,185 --> 01:00:48,905
And we got... We got Raven there
for a second, Doctor Pollard, who...

1183
01:00:49,438 --> 01:00:50,648
Yes.

1184
01:00:50,731 --> 01:00:53,317
- Little shout-out to Raven from y'all.
- Yeah, shout-out.

1185
01:00:53,401 --> 01:00:55,528
Absolutely.

1186
01:00:55,611 --> 01:00:56,946
We love her so much.

1187
01:00:57,029 --> 01:00:58,030
- Yeah.
- Yes, we do.

1188
01:00:58,114 --> 01:01:00,950
And there's the other Raven as well
who came on as a writer for...

1189
01:01:01,033 --> 01:01:02,994
- Oh, yeah!
- Yes.

1190
01:01:03,077 --> 01:01:04,346
- You know that guy.
- Right, right.

1191
01:01:04,370 --> 01:01:05,746
I know that guy.

1192
01:01:05,830 --> 01:01:07,623
Oh, yeah. We know that guy.

1193
01:01:08,207 --> 01:01:09,208
We know him.

1194
01:01:09,750 --> 01:01:11,335
That's Cronenberg.

1195
01:01:11,419 --> 01:01:12,795
- Yeah.
- Oh, my gosh.

1196
01:01:12,879 --> 01:01:15,089
He's so... He's so...

1197
01:01:15,673 --> 01:01:18,134
I love the way he plays this character.

1198
01:01:18,217 --> 01:01:19,635
- Yeah.
- He's so...

1199
01:01:19,719 --> 01:01:22,680
Like, I'm always leaning in
because I feel like he's always

1200
01:01:22,763 --> 01:01:24,432
- got a secret... or five.
- Yeah.

1201
01:01:25,057 --> 01:01:27,852
Yeah, well, when I'm directing him,
I'm always thinking,

1202
01:01:27,935 --> 01:01:30,271
"Man, I'm directing a living legend."

1203
01:01:30,354 --> 01:01:34,108
Like, ""What's he think
about the camera going here?"

1204
01:01:35,276 --> 01:01:37,987
He's probably like,
"Oh, you've got too many cameras, son."

1205
01:01:38,070 --> 01:01:40,239
You know, stick to one camera.

1206
01:01:41,449 --> 01:01:43,492
What's his inner monologue, you know?

1207
01:01:43,576 --> 01:01:46,996
But he's always...
But he seems to just be in it, right?

1208
01:01:47,079 --> 01:01:52,084
He's just in it. He's in the scene
and he's directable and...

1209
01:01:52,835 --> 01:01:53,751
Prepared.

1210
01:01:53,753 --> 01:01:56,589
You know, I love this...
I love this moment between you two.

1211
01:01:56,672 --> 01:01:57,673
Yeah.

1212
01:01:58,382 --> 01:01:59,467
I do too.

1213
01:02:00,009 --> 01:02:02,887
It was such a joy to work with him
and just sit and listen to him.

1214
01:02:02,970 --> 01:02:06,349
He was just so gracious
and kind and funny.

1215
01:02:06,432 --> 01:02:08,434
Yeah. All of the things. Yeah.

1216
01:02:08,517 --> 01:02:09,518
Yeah.

1217
01:02:10,603 --> 01:02:15,441
My only regret is that I wasn't able
to pick his mind more about directing.

1218
01:02:15,524 --> 01:02:17,026
You know, like that's...

1219
01:02:17,109 --> 01:02:20,947
I really wanted to...
I'd really love to know what he thinks

1220
01:02:21,030 --> 01:02:22,406
and what his philosophy is.

1221
01:02:22,490 --> 01:02:27,620
And he was right there, and, you know,
things happen on set.

1222
01:02:27,703 --> 01:02:30,539
I wasn't able to access that knowledge.

1223
01:02:31,415 --> 01:02:32,500
<i>Disco</i> movie.

1224
01:02:34,001 --> 01:02:35,601
Oh, my goodness, that woman right there.

1225
01:02:35,670 --> 01:02:36,837
- Tara.
- Tara.

1226
01:02:36,921 --> 01:02:39,131
- They're kissing!
- Tara Rosling.

1227
01:02:39,215 --> 01:02:44,261
Also one of the most exceptionally
brilliant actors I've ever seen in...

1228
01:02:44,345 --> 01:02:47,056
I mean, we all would just, like...
Would we not, David?

1229
01:02:47,139 --> 01:02:49,684
We, like... We would just marvel at her.

1230
01:02:50,184 --> 01:02:51,185
Absolutely.

1231
01:02:51,268 --> 01:02:56,107
By the way, Tunde and Frakes
had to... had to arm wrestle

1232
01:02:56,190 --> 01:02:59,068
over who was going to get the kiss
in their episode.

1233
01:02:59,151 --> 01:03:00,504
- Right.
- Frakes wanted them to...

1234
01:03:00,528 --> 01:03:01,612
Really?

1235
01:03:01,696 --> 01:03:03,155
He wanted that kiss really bad.

1236
01:03:03,239 --> 01:03:05,157
I wanted it more.

1237
01:03:05,908 --> 01:03:07,952
- You won.
- Yeah. Yeah.

1238
01:03:08,703 --> 01:03:09,787
Oh, man.

1239
01:03:09,870 --> 01:03:12,123
Yeah. Look at the...
It's like king and queen,

1240
01:03:12,206 --> 01:03:17,128
you know what I'm saying? Like,
man, just, stellar artists and just...

1241
01:03:17,211 --> 01:03:20,756
I love this relationship so much.

1242
01:03:21,465 --> 01:03:23,426
That's such a...
I've told this story before,

1243
01:03:23,509 --> 01:03:27,304
but that's one of the amazing,
wonderful things about casting is

1244
01:03:27,388 --> 01:03:31,308
you just never know the magic
that's going to come.

1245
01:03:31,392 --> 01:03:32,935
And, you know... And she came in

1246
01:03:33,019 --> 01:03:36,647
for episode 307, which,
when we were writing that

1247
01:03:36,731 --> 01:03:39,275
we needed, you know, that character.

1248
01:03:39,358 --> 01:03:43,279
We were initially just thinking
of it as that episode, that character.

1249
01:03:43,362 --> 01:03:46,991
And then she and Doug
had just such a spark as actors

1250
01:03:47,074 --> 01:03:49,452
and those characters,
that we just thought,

1251
01:03:49,535 --> 01:03:51,037
well, we just need to bring her back

1252
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:52,931
because now we need to see
what's gonna happen.

1253
01:03:52,955 --> 01:03:57,334
And T'Rina ended up becoming
such a big part of all of this.

1254
01:03:59,545 --> 01:04:01,422
Oh, Oded.

1255
01:04:01,505 --> 01:04:04,967
Oh, goodness. How much do we love him?

1256
01:04:05,051 --> 01:04:07,136
- He really...
- Yeah, what a guy.

1257
01:04:07,219 --> 01:04:11,932
Talk about real and true and raw
and weighted, and...

1258
01:04:13,601 --> 01:04:18,355
I just... I adore his work on...
and him as well.

1259
01:04:18,439 --> 01:04:19,774
What a lovely man.

1260
01:04:19,857 --> 01:04:20,858
He is.

1261
01:04:21,358 --> 01:04:24,153
I feel like we've cast
all of the characters

1262
01:04:24,236 --> 01:04:27,323
as leaders that we would want to be
our actual leaders...

1263
01:04:27,406 --> 01:04:28,699
- Yes!
- ...in the world.

1264
01:04:29,742 --> 01:04:32,369
That's such a great way
to describe it, Michelle.

1265
01:04:35,623 --> 01:04:38,375
Yeah, everybody is just... I just...

1266
01:04:40,211 --> 01:04:41,587
It's just... It's phenomenal

1267
01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:44,131
to be able to watch all of these people
do what they do

1268
01:04:44,215 --> 01:04:45,966
and learn from them.

1269
01:04:46,592 --> 01:04:50,971
I also gotta big-up Teresa Buccione
who was the head of our hair department

1270
01:04:51,055 --> 01:04:54,266
here at the tail end of <i>Discovery.</i>

1271
01:04:54,350 --> 01:04:56,328
And Craig-Ryan French,
head of our makeup department,

1272
01:04:56,352 --> 01:04:57,895
- but the...
- Yes.

1273
01:04:58,479 --> 01:05:03,567
Right? Because look, we really went in
on these intricate, like, styles,

1274
01:05:03,651 --> 01:05:08,781
these, like, Black, ethnic,
African-inspired styles.

1275
01:05:08,864 --> 01:05:10,783
- I was so happy to do it.
- Right?

1276
01:05:10,866 --> 01:05:12,034
Yeah.

1277
01:05:12,743 --> 01:05:13,744
Beautiful.

1278
01:05:14,578 --> 01:05:19,458
Yeah, it was interesting what you guys
were saying about... about the cast.

1279
01:05:19,542 --> 01:05:21,377
And, you know,
growing up watching <i>Star Trek,</i>

1280
01:05:21,460 --> 01:05:26,715
I always felt like, okay... I was going
through my own thing as a kid and...

1281
01:05:27,299 --> 01:05:29,885
But the people on <i>Star Trek</i>
would be my friends.

1282
01:05:29,969 --> 01:05:32,012
Like I... Like on <i>TNG,</i>

1283
01:05:32,096 --> 01:05:35,015
like, I could see myself, like,
hanging out with them, you know,

1284
01:05:36,016 --> 01:05:37,726
or going on adventures with them.

1285
01:05:37,810 --> 01:05:40,729
And what was wonderful about <i>Discovery</i>
is I think that got achieved again

1286
01:05:40,813 --> 01:05:43,816
for the next generation,
or for people like...

1287
01:05:43,899 --> 01:05:47,278
I believe that I could hang out
and be friends with them, you know,

1288
01:05:47,361 --> 01:05:50,239
and that they would be good people,
you know, and accept me.

1289
01:05:52,992 --> 01:05:56,871
I think... I hope... I hope that there's
people watching who feel the same way.

1290
01:05:56,954 --> 01:05:58,956
Yeah. Me too.

1291
01:06:01,083 --> 01:06:02,376
- This...
- This is such a...

1292
01:06:02,459 --> 01:06:04,146
This... Look how be... Oh, sorry, Michelle.

1293
01:06:04,170 --> 01:06:06,630
No, I was just...
I was gonna say it's beautiful.

1294
01:06:06,714 --> 01:06:09,967
I'm not gonna have Tunde
tell the story of the sun,

1295
01:06:10,050 --> 01:06:13,637
but I will say it was very cold this day,
very cold.

1296
01:06:13,721 --> 01:06:16,307
- You two were troupers, by the way.
- It was very cold.

1297
01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:20,186
Both of you out there acting as though
you're just perfectly comfortable...

1298
01:06:20,269 --> 01:06:22,354
- Right? Right?
- ...and it's freezing and below.

1299
01:06:24,190 --> 01:06:26,525
- Yeah, the runny noses.
- This is some acting right here.

1300
01:06:27,067 --> 01:06:28,277
Teary eyes. I remember that.

1301
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,487
Me and David have been
through the elements, man.

1302
01:06:30,571 --> 01:06:33,073
- But yeah, it was fro...
- Yeah.

1303
01:06:33,908 --> 01:06:36,744
We were trying so hard
not to let our teeth chatter.

1304
01:06:36,827 --> 01:06:38,120
- Yeah.
- Yeah.

1305
01:06:38,204 --> 01:06:40,414
You guys did a great job.
You wouldn't know.

1306
01:06:40,915 --> 01:06:42,208
- No.
- Yes.

1307
01:06:42,291 --> 01:06:43,417
Yeah, it was okay...

1308
01:06:43,500 --> 01:06:45,920
Didn't we start this
at, like, 5:00 in the morning?

1309
01:06:46,003 --> 01:06:47,296
Yeah.

1310
01:06:47,379 --> 01:06:48,440
The moment the cast is called,

1311
01:06:48,464 --> 01:06:50,841
- people are coming out with jackets.
- Yeah. Yeah.

1312
01:06:51,425 --> 01:06:53,177
Yeah, like those warm coats.

1313
01:06:53,260 --> 01:06:55,304
We... I had the HotShots everywhere.

1314
01:06:56,180 --> 01:06:57,556
Yeah.

1315
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,893
So directors, film students watching,
just remember that

1316
01:07:00,976 --> 01:07:03,312
when you go into the elements,
it's easy to forget...

1317
01:07:03,395 --> 01:07:05,332
because you're just,
you're intent on the image...

1318
01:07:05,356 --> 01:07:06,899
But when you go into the elements,

1319
01:07:06,982 --> 01:07:09,735
you and the crew can put
layers upon layers, upon layers on

1320
01:07:09,818 --> 01:07:12,446
to keep yourselves warm
indefinitely through the day, right?

1321
01:07:12,529 --> 01:07:16,325
There's no excuse not to be
at least sort of warm through the day.

1322
01:07:16,408 --> 01:07:17,848
I mean, there's a couple of excuses.

1323
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:21,038
But the cast, they got to wear
what they gotta wear on camera,

1324
01:07:21,121 --> 01:07:25,668
so they're exposed, you know,
so it's just something to think about.

1325
01:07:25,751 --> 01:07:28,295
Not only getting them out there,
but what's the whole logistics

1326
01:07:28,379 --> 01:07:30,214
around trying to keep them warm?

1327
01:07:30,297 --> 01:07:32,049
And there's gonna be some success rates

1328
01:07:32,132 --> 01:07:34,969
and some that are not so successful
in accomplishing that.

1329
01:07:35,052 --> 01:07:37,513
But it's something
that a lot of thought needs to go into

1330
01:07:37,596 --> 01:07:39,723
when you... when you shoot in the elements.

1331
01:07:40,724 --> 01:07:44,270
One thing about this scene here...

1332
01:07:44,937 --> 01:07:48,399
Because we didn't know
it was gonna be our last season,

1333
01:07:48,482 --> 01:07:51,735
the shot coming up where they
kind of walk off into the sunset

1334
01:07:51,819 --> 01:07:55,072
was originally going to be
the end of the season.

1335
01:07:55,155 --> 01:07:57,366
And then we were gonna come back
for another season.

1336
01:07:57,449 --> 01:08:00,369
When we found out that, much later...

1337
01:08:00,452 --> 01:08:02,871
We were editing, I think, episodes 8 and 9

1338
01:08:02,955 --> 01:08:06,750
at the time that we found out
that this was gonna be our final season.

1339
01:08:07,251 --> 01:08:08,460
We had to go back.

1340
01:08:09,336 --> 01:08:11,231
And people have asked,
did you have to change anything

1341
01:08:11,255 --> 01:08:13,424
earlier in the season to accommodate that?

1342
01:08:13,507 --> 01:08:18,262
And there was... There were really only,
I think, one or two lines of dialogue

1343
01:08:18,345 --> 01:08:21,598
that we pulled from this particular scene,

1344
01:08:22,474 --> 01:08:24,852
about the Progenitor
and what Burnham learned.

1345
01:08:24,935 --> 01:08:28,939
And she had a line that she said
to Book about that,

1346
01:08:29,023 --> 01:08:33,193
that we then ultimately put
in the next scene with the son,

1347
01:08:33,277 --> 01:08:34,903
and gave that to her to give to him.

1348
01:08:34,987 --> 01:08:38,866
That was really the only thing
we had to change in this

1349
01:08:39,575 --> 01:08:42,286
to be able to make that work.
But this was gonna be the last shot.

1350
01:08:42,369 --> 01:08:43,370
Yeah.

1351
01:08:43,912 --> 01:08:47,166
Phil, if you're listening to this,
Phil, that was an amazing scene.

1352
01:08:47,249 --> 01:08:49,289
- Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Look at this.
- It's beautiful.

1353
01:08:49,460 --> 01:08:50,919
It's beautiful.

1354
01:08:51,003 --> 01:08:52,755
- And then here we go.
- It's my favorite.

1355
01:08:52,838 --> 01:08:55,632
Here it's gonna be...
You guys are ending the season now.

1356
01:08:55,716 --> 01:08:57,009
What... What...

1357
01:08:57,092 --> 01:08:59,053
I can't watch this. I can't watch this.

1358
01:08:59,136 --> 01:09:01,930
I'm curious... What was it like to look...

1359
01:09:02,014 --> 01:09:03,098
I can't watch it.

1360
01:09:03,182 --> 01:09:04,742
What was it like to look in the mirror?

1361
01:09:04,808 --> 01:09:07,019
What was it like to look in the mirror
with the...

1362
01:09:07,102 --> 01:09:09,188
He walked away! He's gone.

1363
01:09:09,271 --> 01:09:10,647
- Gone.
- He keeps calling us...

1364
01:09:10,731 --> 01:09:14,193
Listen, I'm here, but I can't. I can't.
My heart is too...

1365
01:09:14,276 --> 01:09:15,378
- Oh, no, no, I can't.
- I know.

1366
01:09:15,402 --> 01:09:17,780
- I know, David can't really watch.
- I can't.

1367
01:10:14,378 --> 01:10:18,090
So, I just remember...
I remember seeing my mom

1368
01:10:18,173 --> 01:10:21,051
when I was looking in the mirror
when I was, you know, working.

1369
01:10:21,135 --> 01:10:23,429
It was Nicola and Brandi who...

1370
01:10:23,512 --> 01:10:26,140
You know, we were together
every day doing this.

1371
01:10:26,223 --> 01:10:29,518
I was so grateful to be able
to do this on my way out.

1372
01:10:29,601 --> 01:10:32,980
I felt like the cool kid, and it was so...

1373
01:10:33,939 --> 01:10:36,900
Man, it was so lifelike and true.

1374
01:10:38,068 --> 01:10:41,113
And David and I both,
we just could not have imagined

1375
01:10:41,738 --> 01:10:46,910
a sweeter gift to be given on the way out.

1376
01:10:46,994 --> 01:10:49,496
So, you know,
I will just always be grateful

1377
01:10:49,580 --> 01:10:51,665
to you, Michelle, and everyone.

1378
01:10:51,748 --> 01:10:53,959
And you too, Tunde,
for bringing it to life

1379
01:10:54,042 --> 01:10:56,336
and giving us the opportunity to...

1380
01:10:56,420 --> 01:10:58,088
Oh, my goodness...

1381
01:10:58,172 --> 01:11:02,176
show these people
living happily ever after, basically.

1382
01:11:02,718 --> 01:11:06,930
I will be grateful
to CBS Studios, Paramount+.

1383
01:11:07,014 --> 01:11:08,348
- They, you know...
- Yes.

1384
01:11:08,432 --> 01:11:10,559
...to allow us to do this.

1385
01:11:10,642 --> 01:11:13,479
And, by the way,
as we were prepping for this,

1386
01:11:13,562 --> 01:11:15,564
the writers' strike was coming up.

1387
01:11:15,647 --> 01:11:19,776
And so we knew that
we had to shoot this before May 1st

1388
01:11:19,860 --> 01:11:21,195
because everyone wanted...

1389
01:11:21,278 --> 01:11:23,947
We didn't... No one knew for sure
that there would be a strike,

1390
01:11:24,031 --> 01:11:26,033
but we knew that if there was one,

1391
01:11:26,700 --> 01:11:29,536
we were just not gonna have an opportunity
to come back and shoot this.

1392
01:11:29,620 --> 01:11:32,206
So I think ultimately...
Tunde, correct me if I'm wrong...

1393
01:11:32,289 --> 01:11:36,084
I think we ultimately had, like,
seven weeks of prep,

1394
01:11:36,168 --> 01:11:40,964
or something like that, including
these aging prosthetics and looks

1395
01:11:41,048 --> 01:11:43,258
that you and David have here,

1396
01:11:43,342 --> 01:11:47,221
and our whole team
just knocked it out of the park.

1397
01:11:47,721 --> 01:11:50,599
Normally, we would have much longer
to test these things

1398
01:11:50,682 --> 01:11:54,353
and... and they just did
such a tremendous job.

1399
01:11:54,436 --> 01:11:56,939
I mean, you got... You both look beautiful.

1400
01:11:57,022 --> 01:11:59,149
Yeah, they... That was the...
That was the challenge

1401
01:11:59,233 --> 01:12:03,028
that I thought Glenn pulled off was,
how do you make 'em look older,

1402
01:12:03,111 --> 01:12:05,781
and yet beautiful
and distinguished, right?

1403
01:12:06,949 --> 01:12:09,034
What's that balance in the alchemy?

1404
01:12:09,117 --> 01:12:11,787
Pardon the pun, because the name
of his company is Alchemy.

1405
01:12:11,870 --> 01:12:15,624
But what's that alchemy in how
thin or thick those prosthetics should be,

1406
01:12:15,707 --> 01:12:18,794
and I thought they did
a great job with them.

1407
01:12:18,877 --> 01:12:21,296
And that and the hair and the makeup
and just...

1408
01:12:21,380 --> 01:12:22,506
Yeah.

1409
01:12:22,589 --> 01:12:23,924
Yeah.

1410
01:12:24,007 --> 01:12:26,552
Yeah, it was a team...
As everything is, right?

1411
01:12:26,635 --> 01:12:29,179
As we've been saying,
as we always say, you know,

1412
01:12:29,263 --> 01:12:32,224
- it was such a team effort.
- Yeah.

1413
01:12:32,307 --> 01:12:33,392
Man.

1414
01:12:33,475 --> 01:12:34,643
- And it's hard.
- It's...

1415
01:12:34,726 --> 01:12:35,811
I'm sorry, go on.

1416
01:12:35,894 --> 01:12:37,771
No, you go, you go.

1417
01:12:37,854 --> 01:12:39,398
I was just gonna say it was...

1418
01:12:39,481 --> 01:12:42,192
You know, you had said something
a couple of years ago, Sonequa,

1419
01:12:42,276 --> 01:12:45,946
about when something emotional
is going on in your life,

1420
01:12:46,029 --> 01:12:48,907
it affects your creative instrument.

1421
01:12:49,491 --> 01:12:50,659
And you have to work harder

1422
01:12:50,742 --> 01:12:53,704
to make sure your creative instrument's
working in the right direction.

1423
01:12:53,787 --> 01:12:55,723
And that's what I was experiencing
when I came back.

1424
01:12:55,747 --> 01:12:59,251
I actually didn't want to come back
to do this, because I was...

1425
01:12:59,334 --> 01:13:01,211
I came up with all these reasons
in my mind,

1426
01:13:01,295 --> 01:13:04,381
but really the main reason was
how emotional I knew it would be.

1427
01:13:04,965 --> 01:13:07,551
And I don't like being that emotional,
you know,

1428
01:13:07,634 --> 01:13:11,179
like to the point where
my creative instrument is not working,

1429
01:13:11,263 --> 01:13:12,514
it's not functioning correctly,

1430
01:13:12,598 --> 01:13:15,225
where I have to keep checking myself
and checking myself.

1431
01:13:15,309 --> 01:13:18,729
And things that would ordinarily be,
instinctually, "This is how to do it,"

1432
01:13:18,812 --> 01:13:21,064
now take two or three times to get there.

1433
01:13:21,607 --> 01:13:24,818
And that was what I was experiencing
while directing these.

1434
01:13:27,696 --> 01:13:29,740
That deer, I love that deer.

1435
01:13:33,410 --> 01:13:35,287
Me too, and the sound it makes.

1436
01:13:36,163 --> 01:13:38,915
Oh, my goodness, Sawan.

1437
01:13:42,169 --> 01:13:44,671
He looks like he could be your son.

1438
01:13:44,755 --> 01:13:48,675
The picture of the three of you together
is just fantastic.

1439
01:13:49,676 --> 01:13:50,802
This is it.

1440
01:13:50,886 --> 01:13:55,223
And, you know, speaking of having
a big job ahead of him,

1441
01:13:55,307 --> 01:13:56,975
like a lot of us, you know, do.

1442
01:13:57,059 --> 01:13:58,769
I mean, my goodness.

1443
01:13:58,852 --> 01:14:04,566
It's like, "Look. You're the legacy.
You're the legacy bearer," you know?

1444
01:14:05,734 --> 01:14:08,236
That's the theme of this, right,

1445
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:13,617
is the legacy of these characters
and also of this ship and this crew.

1446
01:14:13,700 --> 01:14:16,078
And it's like, "You hold that."

1447
01:14:16,620 --> 01:14:19,665
And he just held it so well.

1448
01:14:19,748 --> 01:14:26,129
He was so brilliant and so kind
and giving and engaged and fun

1449
01:14:26,213 --> 01:14:30,801
and everything you could have asked for
and more.

1450
01:14:30,884 --> 01:14:33,303
And we just had a blast together,

1451
01:14:33,387 --> 01:14:38,350
and we bonded... all of us bonded with him
so quickly and so easily

1452
01:14:38,433 --> 01:14:41,019
that it was super sad to say bye to him.

1453
01:14:41,103 --> 01:14:43,772
- It was as if he had always been with us.
- Yeah.

1454
01:14:43,855 --> 01:14:46,233
David, are you still not watching?

1455
01:14:46,942 --> 01:14:49,027
Yeah, I can't. I can't.

1456
01:14:49,903 --> 01:14:51,405
I can't, but I'm here.

1457
01:14:51,488 --> 01:14:54,324
I'm listening to everything, but I can't.

1458
01:14:54,408 --> 01:14:56,410
He said, "I can't. I can't."

1459
01:14:57,369 --> 01:14:58,954
- I love it.
- Nah, it's my heart.

1460
01:14:59,037 --> 01:15:00,330
- It's... Yeah.
- I hear you.

1461
01:15:00,414 --> 01:15:03,709
It was such a joy filming this,
but I can't watch it. I can't.

1462
01:15:03,792 --> 01:15:05,127
Yeah. I hear you.

1463
01:15:05,794 --> 01:15:08,088
You know, Tunde, something you said
makes me think about

1464
01:15:08,171 --> 01:15:11,591
when you talk about the emotionality
you might be going through in your life

1465
01:15:11,675 --> 01:15:13,361
and how it affects
your creative instrument,

1466
01:15:13,385 --> 01:15:16,555
because I had a little bit of that too
over the course of this season

1467
01:15:16,638 --> 01:15:22,227
from the storyline with the Progenitors
and finding the technology and everything.

1468
01:15:22,310 --> 01:15:25,439
And I just remember, Michelle,

1469
01:15:25,522 --> 01:15:27,983
when you and I spoke about the season
before we came in,

1470
01:15:28,066 --> 01:15:30,736
and you told me that, you know,
what we would find

1471
01:15:30,819 --> 01:15:32,946
is that the Progenitors
found this technology,

1472
01:15:33,029 --> 01:15:34,906
that they don't know where it came from.

1473
01:15:35,490 --> 01:15:39,077
I remember, you know,
I was super grateful for that.

1474
01:15:39,161 --> 01:15:44,124
And it's another reason why it's amazing
how everything ended up turning out...

1475
01:15:44,207 --> 01:15:47,836
this episode in particular...
because it just continues to...

1476
01:15:47,919 --> 01:15:52,090
Even Burnham's captain's log,

1477
01:15:52,174 --> 01:15:56,303
it just leaves the door open
for every kind of possibility.

1478
01:15:57,888 --> 01:16:00,599
And I love that we end it that way,

1479
01:16:01,767 --> 01:16:04,895
where it's like, "Hey, look,
it can continue to look up and out.

1480
01:16:04,978 --> 01:16:06,521
It could be anything," you know?

1481
01:16:07,272 --> 01:16:10,776
Anything is still possible.

1482
01:16:11,276 --> 01:16:12,360
Thought that was beautiful.

1483
01:16:12,444 --> 01:16:15,030
That actually came from you, by the way.

1484
01:16:15,614 --> 01:16:20,160
'Cause when we pitched the season to you

1485
01:16:20,243 --> 01:16:22,078
at the very, very beginning, before...

1486
01:16:22,162 --> 01:16:26,416
Like, very early, we sort of pitched you
the, "Here's where season 5 is going,"

1487
01:16:26,500 --> 01:16:27,959
and we talked about the Progenitors,

1488
01:16:28,043 --> 01:16:31,797
and I just remember you saying,
"Well, they won't be the"...

1489
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:33,298
I can't remember how you put it,

1490
01:16:33,381 --> 01:16:36,635
but it was, "They won't be
the be-all, end-all," right?

1491
01:16:36,718 --> 01:16:37,928
Yeah. That's right.

1492
01:16:38,011 --> 01:16:40,180
And that really...

1493
01:16:40,263 --> 01:16:42,390
You saying that really struck me,

1494
01:16:42,474 --> 01:16:46,770
like, "Of course, they can't be
the be-all, end-all." It has to be...

1495
01:16:46,853 --> 01:16:51,274
Like, you have to leave
the many possibilities for all the things.

1496
01:16:51,358 --> 01:16:54,444
So that came, actually,
out of that conversation with you

1497
01:16:54,528 --> 01:16:56,863
and honoring that with you.

1498
01:16:56,947 --> 01:16:58,156
And it felt very important.

1499
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:00,742
And it's a hundred percent
the right choice.

1500
01:17:00,826 --> 01:17:03,620
You wouldn't want to say that that was it

1501
01:17:03,703 --> 01:17:06,957
and that they were, you know,
creators with a capital C,

1502
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:08,667
because you wanna leave it open.

1503
01:17:12,045 --> 01:17:13,839
I didn't know that, Michelle.

1504
01:17:14,589 --> 01:17:15,590
Yeah.

1505
01:17:15,674 --> 01:17:16,967
I didn't know that.

1506
01:17:22,013 --> 01:17:25,851
Part of this...
I think part of this conversation here

1507
01:17:25,934 --> 01:17:28,979
was originally between Burnham and Book,

1508
01:17:29,062 --> 01:17:31,898
that we thought of... that previous scene...
to put it in with this.

1509
01:17:31,982 --> 01:17:33,733
This was...

1510
01:17:33,817 --> 01:17:36,820
This whole ending coda sequence

1511
01:17:36,903 --> 01:17:41,825
was really interesting
in terms of figuring out how to do it,

1512
01:17:41,908 --> 01:17:44,369
'cause, you know, we had a limited time.

1513
01:17:44,452 --> 01:17:46,788
We knew we were gonna have
three days to shoot.

1514
01:17:47,372 --> 01:17:49,040
Some of the sets were already gone.

1515
01:17:49,124 --> 01:17:52,460
We knew that we were only
gonna be able to get certain actors,

1516
01:17:52,544 --> 01:17:55,547
and, logistically,
getting everybody in the next scene

1517
01:17:55,630 --> 01:17:59,009
to be there on a particular day
so we could have a goodbye.

1518
01:17:59,092 --> 01:18:04,890
And, you know, Kyle and Alex and I
really just kind of worked through it,

1519
01:18:04,973 --> 01:18:10,604
and, you know, it was no small feat
to try and figure it out.

1520
01:18:10,687 --> 01:18:12,772
But I really love what we came up with,

1521
01:18:12,856 --> 01:18:15,317
and then what you all do on the screen,

1522
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:19,112
and Tunde bringing it to life,
and everybody, you know?

1523
01:18:19,195 --> 01:18:21,823
It's everyone's passion
bringing it all together.

1524
01:18:23,283 --> 01:18:27,996
I hope people feel really good about it
when they finally watch this

1525
01:18:28,079 --> 01:18:30,081
and get to see the way it ends.

1526
01:18:31,333 --> 01:18:37,172
I love the way that last scene
with Burnham and Leto was written,

1527
01:18:37,255 --> 01:18:39,341
and the fact that his name is Leto,
it was just...

1528
01:18:39,424 --> 01:18:42,719
- Yeah. Yeah.
- ...beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.

1529
01:18:44,095 --> 01:18:46,473
And now, of course,
here they're taking off the A.

1530
01:18:46,556 --> 01:18:49,434
I think people will probably notice
that the DOTs are taking off the A,

1531
01:18:49,517 --> 01:18:53,063
'cause we're about to...
we have to make it match "Calypso,"

1532
01:18:53,146 --> 01:18:55,106
which was just the 1031

1533
01:18:55,190 --> 01:18:57,192
that didn't have an A
when it went out there.

1534
01:18:57,275 --> 01:18:59,319
Look at that. Easter egg.

1535
01:18:59,402 --> 01:19:00,612
Easter egg, yeah.

1536
01:19:03,740 --> 01:19:04,741
Look at that great shot.

1537
01:19:05,575 --> 01:19:07,786
Wow. And I also, you know...

1538
01:19:07,869 --> 01:19:09,788
I'm a little bit ahead of it,

1539
01:19:09,871 --> 01:19:13,875
but I got to big-up Robinne,
Robinne Fanfair,

1540
01:19:13,959 --> 01:19:19,714
who voiced Zora for us
when we were there on set.

1541
01:19:19,798 --> 01:19:23,885
She had such an interesting process
that I really respected

1542
01:19:23,969 --> 01:19:27,472
because she didn't watch,
she just listened.

1543
01:19:27,555 --> 01:19:29,474
She would be in her chair
with her headphones,

1544
01:19:29,557 --> 01:19:31,726
and she would just go off of...

1545
01:19:31,810 --> 01:19:34,354
It was just like a sort of
audio experience for her,

1546
01:19:34,896 --> 01:19:38,274
because she felt that
that was the case for Zora, and so...

1547
01:19:38,900 --> 01:19:41,820
or somehow she felt
that it connected her more to Zora.

1548
01:19:41,903 --> 01:19:43,905
And then we have someone else
who comes in.

1549
01:19:43,989 --> 01:19:46,992
So there's two people
who are Zora essentially.

1550
01:19:47,075 --> 01:19:48,118
Yeah.

1551
01:19:48,201 --> 01:19:51,913
But she's the one who would voice for us
when we were there in Toronto.

1552
01:19:51,997 --> 01:19:54,582
It was lovely to watch her work.

1553
01:19:54,666 --> 01:19:58,086
- Yeah, Annabelle is our Zora voice in...
- Yeah.

1554
01:19:58,169 --> 01:20:01,297
And, yeah, Robinne... it was interesting
that you mentioned that, Sonequa,

1555
01:20:01,381 --> 01:20:06,177
because I went to do a private blocking
on a particular scene...

1556
01:20:06,261 --> 01:20:07,512
I forget which one it was...

1557
01:20:07,595 --> 01:20:09,931
and Zora was talking a lot
in that particular scene.

1558
01:20:10,015 --> 01:20:14,019
And I tried to get Robinne to come
and join the private rehearsal,

1559
01:20:14,102 --> 01:20:15,729
but she didn't want to.

1560
01:20:15,812 --> 01:20:16,855
And I was like...

1561
01:20:16,938 --> 01:20:20,025
And I wasn't sure about
what that reluctance was.

1562
01:20:20,108 --> 01:20:22,777
Now you've just answered
that question for me.

1563
01:20:22,861 --> 01:20:25,113
- So, you know, thank you for that.
- Yeah.

1564
01:20:25,655 --> 01:20:28,199
Yeah. She felt like somehow
it would help her

1565
01:20:28,283 --> 01:20:34,748
get into the sort of, you know,
artificial mindset of Zora,

1566
01:20:34,831 --> 01:20:37,375
just having it be an audio experience.

1567
01:20:37,459 --> 01:20:39,753
She was so giving and there,

1568
01:20:39,836 --> 01:20:41,921
and I really felt, you know...

1569
01:20:42,005 --> 01:20:45,717
I really felt the life
when I would be with her there in Toronto.

1570
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:47,635
So I was grateful for her.

1571
01:20:48,845 --> 01:20:49,971
I love this part.

1572
01:20:51,264 --> 01:20:53,058
Tunde. It's a Tunde special.

1573
01:20:54,976 --> 01:20:55,977
Yeah.

1574
01:20:57,812 --> 01:21:01,816
Yeah, this was a difficult scene to shoot
for a variety of reasons.

1575
01:21:01,900 --> 01:21:05,487
Not logistically or, you know...
but just emotionally.

1576
01:21:06,279 --> 01:21:08,073
You wanna get it right, right?

1577
01:21:08,573 --> 01:21:09,616
- Yeah.
- Yeah.

1578
01:21:11,951 --> 01:21:14,245
Yeah,
you knocked it out of the park, Tunde.

1579
01:21:14,329 --> 01:21:15,330
Yeah.

1580
01:21:15,955 --> 01:21:21,127
And I love that
everyone was able to come back.

1581
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:25,173
Wilson was not,
'cause he was working on something

1582
01:21:25,256 --> 01:21:27,136
- at the time.
- On the other side of the world.

1583
01:21:27,175 --> 01:21:28,218
Yeah.

1584
01:21:29,677 --> 01:21:34,015
But we were able to,
through the magic of editing,

1585
01:21:34,099 --> 01:21:35,433
make it seem like he was there.

1586
01:21:35,517 --> 01:21:38,394
We had a great Wilson stunt double...

1587
01:21:38,478 --> 01:21:39,979
not stunt double, body double.

1588
01:21:40,063 --> 01:21:41,314
Stunt double.

1589
01:21:42,065 --> 01:21:43,066
Body double.

1590
01:21:44,776 --> 01:21:47,737
So as we come back here,

1591
01:21:47,821 --> 01:21:52,742
we'll see him, and he's not...
that's not actually him.

1592
01:21:53,952 --> 01:21:55,161
I got to say, too, Michelle,

1593
01:21:55,245 --> 01:21:58,748
I know we appreciate CBS
and Paramount+ for getting us up here,

1594
01:21:58,832 --> 01:22:01,376
but I also just have to say

1595
01:22:01,459 --> 01:22:04,921
that you just astounded me
with this script for this coda.

1596
01:22:06,464 --> 01:22:09,008
Because, you know, I know you and Alex,

1597
01:22:09,092 --> 01:22:12,137
you were campaigning for us
and fighting for us

1598
01:22:12,220 --> 01:22:14,305
and they were gracious to us,

1599
01:22:14,389 --> 01:22:18,268
but you did this in two minutes
with two pages, you know,

1600
01:22:19,811 --> 01:22:25,483
and I will always be floored
by what you were able to do.

1601
01:22:25,567 --> 01:22:27,235
- Thank you.
- Yeah. Yeah.

1602
01:22:29,821 --> 01:22:30,989
So neat.

1603
01:22:32,031 --> 01:22:34,993
Emily and Oyin, oh, my goodness.

1604
01:22:35,076 --> 01:22:37,328
- There they are.
- I'm so happy they were able... Tig.

1605
01:22:37,412 --> 01:22:40,039
I'm so happy so many people
were able to come back.

1606
01:22:40,123 --> 01:22:42,917
I can't believe
everyone got up there for it.

1607
01:22:44,210 --> 01:22:45,378
Most of 'em.

1608
01:22:46,671 --> 01:22:48,840
And there's Wilson sort of.

1609
01:22:49,799 --> 01:22:51,885
Yeah, that's the cut-in.

1610
01:22:51,968 --> 01:22:53,845
Wait, was... Who else was there?

1611
01:22:53,928 --> 01:22:55,847
Was someone else not there that day?

1612
01:22:56,639 --> 01:22:58,016
No, Ronnie though.

1613
01:22:58,099 --> 01:23:01,269
Ronnie came back, which was exciting too.

1614
01:23:01,978 --> 01:23:06,691
Well, Hannah and Sara
weren't able to be there.

1615
01:23:06,774 --> 01:23:07,775
Yeah.

1616
01:23:08,818 --> 01:23:12,238
I love that we come out of that hug
with her and Tilly.

1617
01:23:12,322 --> 01:23:15,033
It's like a foundational relationship
on the show.

1618
01:23:16,993 --> 01:23:17,994
Yeah.

1619
01:23:28,129 --> 01:23:29,631
What was it like saying this?

1620
01:23:31,049 --> 01:23:33,051
Yeah, what was it like, Sonequa?

1621
01:23:34,427 --> 01:23:36,346
Y'all, it was so intense.

1622
01:23:41,476 --> 01:23:42,936
I love the way you delivered that.

1623
01:23:43,895 --> 01:23:45,563
- I just love it.
- Thank you.

1624
01:23:45,647 --> 01:23:49,275
It's like you were saying, Tunde,
man, there was just so much to feel.

1625
01:23:49,359 --> 01:23:51,110
We were feeling all the feels.

1626
01:23:51,194 --> 01:23:53,529
I mean,
we worked so hard those three days.

1627
01:23:53,613 --> 01:23:57,367
We were sleep deprived and delirious,
but we were just...

1628
01:23:57,450 --> 01:24:00,828
It's like I almost wouldn't have wanted it
to be any other kind of way,

1629
01:24:00,912 --> 01:24:02,121
you know what I'm saying?

1630
01:24:02,205 --> 01:24:05,750
Like, we gave our all there at the end,

1631
01:24:05,833 --> 01:24:10,964
and I wanted to encapsulate
every single moment

1632
01:24:11,047 --> 01:24:12,799
in that one "let's fly," right?

1633
01:24:12,882 --> 01:24:17,553
Which... That's impossible to do,
but that was the desire of my heart.

1634
01:24:18,179 --> 01:24:19,222
So it was quite intense.

1635
01:24:19,305 --> 01:24:21,516
I know we did a few takes.
I can't remember how many.

1636
01:24:21,599 --> 01:24:24,352
- And the spin out, you guys.
- Yeah.

1637
01:24:25,228 --> 01:24:26,354
Yeah.

1638
01:24:27,814 --> 01:24:29,315
- I'm gonna cry.
- I know!

1639
01:24:30,358 --> 01:24:33,695
Intense. It's intense. It's intense.

1640
01:24:35,029 --> 01:24:35,945
True.

1641
01:24:35,947 --> 01:24:37,699
I love y'all so much.

1642
01:24:37,782 --> 01:24:40,118
- Well done. Love you too. Love you all.
- I miss you guys.

1643
01:24:40,201 --> 01:24:42,829
- Yeah.
- I do. I miss y'all too.

1644
01:24:43,830 --> 01:24:46,207
- We just got to do it again, I guess.
- Yep.

1645
01:24:46,291 --> 01:24:47,667
- Yes, we do.
- It's done.

1646
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:32,670
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